re: Is Milroe a better qb than...

Again, I want to reiterate that I would’ve benched Milroe against Tennessee and USCe had I been head coach. I’m just trying to be objective with regard to his potential and his situation at Bama.

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Hurts numbers were also as a true freshman (very few true freshman have ever started and played well)

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This is absolutely true and something most fans especially with 5* QB prospects coming in forget. Even Peyton Manning needed time to develop his freshman year and the position Jalen Hurts was put in from the jump as a developmental QB was more about the misses Bama had at QB before him (Bateman & Barnett) than it being Hurts fault he wasn’t ready to run the base “Bama” offense.

I’d also argue that Milroe has had to learn three different offenses during his time under three OCs and has been surrounded with far inferior talent compared to Hurts.

Here is the Bama offense from 2017 when Jalen was a junior:
RB: D Harris / Najee / Jacobs / BRob
WR: Ridley / Devonta / Foster / Jeudy / Ruggs
TE: Irv Smith
OL: Williams / Piersbacher / Bozeman / Leatherwood / Wills

That’s an offense superior to what most NFL teams have and I’m not 100% sure that outside of Tyler Booker we have one guy who would’ve started on that offense on this team.

Despite that here is Jalens stat line:
QBr 150, 60%, 8.2YPA, 25 TDs, 2900yds

Vs Milroe last year:
QBr 172, 66%, 10ypa, 35 TDs, 3300 yards

My point is Milroe despite inferior talent was far superior to Hurts in virtually every metric at the same point in their development.

So if Hurts can go from benched vs UGA to NFL superstar it’s absolutely possible that Milroe could make the jump as well. That’s also not to say that Milroe shouldn’t have been benched again this year if Simpson was a viable alternative because JM has cost us at least two football games this year.

All of this is the consequence of bad QB evals/development in both situations. If Blake Barnett was half as interested in being an elite QB as he was chasing instagram influencers Hurts gets two years to develop.

If BOB wasn’t going to develop Milroe for the post BY era we needed to hit on Simpson or Buchner out of the gate, but Ty wasn’t ready as freshmen usually aren’t and Buchner was no good. So now you’re back to a QB who isn’t ready just trying to out athlete everyone against teams full of elite athletes running a makeshift offense neither coaching staff is really happy with.

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My point is Milroe despite inferior talent was far superior to Hurts in virtually every metric at the same point in their development.

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It's not though. TWO whole years of difference. Yes two years as a starter but you absolutely can learn from the bench. Milroe seems to have learned very little. And you can't blame that entirely on different coaching staff. If anything multiple different coaches didn't know how to help him do basic reads like where the blitz is coming from or step up in the pocket even. He relies entirely too much on his raw talents as you would expect from a young QB not a 4th year player

And what's worse is that he's regressed. His own passing numbers from last season are far superior to what he has done this year.

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So if Hurts can go from benched vs UGA to NFL superstar it’s absolutely possible that Milroe could make the jump as well.

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That's the mentality a lot of NFL coaches and GMs have and more often then not it backfires. For every Hurts and Allen, there's 10 other guys that did not work out

Which QB did Bill O'Brien develop?

Did he develop Bryce?

We basically had QBs not develop for two years then we were wondering how Milroe was so bad and then why Ty Simpson couldn't take the job last season.

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Milroe seems to have learned very little

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I agree but Hurts numbers at Bama didn’t measurably improve either until he was benched for Tua and got to learn and develop under Enos and then Riley. A year with Bill O’Brien when he made it clear he didn’t think Milroe was worth his time isn’t the same as learning under an actual QB coach who knows how to work with a mobile QB.

I think Rees from halftime of the Tennessee game last year did an incredible job in retrospect with Milroe from a gameplan standpoint. From that point on he was the #2 QB in the country based on rating and looked like he could be on a Jayden Daniels trajectory.

There just seems to be a non-scalable element to his game right now where against elite defenses he simply can’t process if you take away the easy runs and throws. The disguised coverages seem to break him mentally and it’s as though he’s predetermining his throws particularly when he feels edge pressure.

I’ll say that he has improved in terms of feeling pressure and stepping up in the pocket rather than retreating.

The other variable with Milroe is the injury rumor. He just didn’t look right for 2-3 weeks and while they’re adamant he isn’t/wasn’t hurt they haven’t been transparent with injuries to guys like Devonta Smith, Pritchett and Roberts so im not entirely sure I believe them.

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They will think they can fix him and someone will lose there job over taking him because teams are always hungry for QB’s

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I don’t think so.

He’s no Anthony Richardson. He’s not 6’4” 240 with 4.3 speed.
He’s 6’2” 225 with 4.5ish speed.
I propably not scoring a 37 on the wonderlich like Josh Allen.
I don’t see him blowing them away with his play situation interviews.

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Correct. The fact that we keep arguing about #4 proves how divisive he’s become for our fan base. I can’t wait to turn the page and have another quarterback taking snaps.

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And he really shouldn't be that divisive at all. He's a generally bad quarterback, and all the things he once did well, he no longer does.

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Ran 4.6 as a senior in hs. You don’t shave that much time off a 40 with practice.

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So everybody Milroe has played is slower than 4.6?

Drugs are bad.

Haener's best year was under DeBoer. Just FYI.