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If Coach Saban coaches the DBs, why are they our biggest weakness?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:50 am
We never had a second cornerback opposite Belue. Belue played this whole year injured, so even our best cornerback was not great.
Why did we struggle so much if this is Saban's specialty? Before anyone brings up starting first year players, I watched both Florida and LSU have success starting freshman corners.
So what is the deal?
Why did we struggle so much if this is Saban's specialty? Before anyone brings up starting first year players, I watched both Florida and LSU have success starting freshman corners.
So what is the deal?
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:52 am to chattabama
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So what is the deal?
No dominant lineman to rush the passer. The pass rush was beyond pathetic this year.
ETA: A 6'0", 220 lb. linebacker abused our line last night. I don't know if we need to move toward speed on the ends instead of size, but the game seems to be changing and Saban is getting left behind.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:22 am to OnTheBrink
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ETA: A 6'0", 220 lb. linebacker abused our line last night. I don't know if we need to move toward speed on the ends instead of size, but the game seems to be changing and Saban is getting left behind.
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Maybe our big uglies need to be a little smaller and more mobile? And our defensive scheme is a dinosaur. It doesn't work against HUNH. You will never hear that from Saban. It's all about execution to him when maybe we need to adjust to the times. We aren't playing pro style offenses very often anymore.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:31 am to chattabama
Florida had success with Vernon Hargraves there was a reason he had 5 stars by his name.
And Chavis's system is so simplified a brain dead chimp could learn it. And its also why the phrase "Third and Chavis" was invented.
Young corners typically don't look good (elite talents like Hargraves notwithstanding). Do you remember how bad some of our guys looked as Freshman only to be all American's as juniors/seniors? Guys you may have heard of like Kirkpatrick, Milliner, Jackson, even Marquis Johnson. I mean Eddie Jackson probably looked the best of any freshman Corner that has played under Saban.
We play press man for a reason. Its hard for young guys to pick up but boy can it shut down offenses when its firing at all cylinders.
And Chavis's system is so simplified a brain dead chimp could learn it. And its also why the phrase "Third and Chavis" was invented.
Young corners typically don't look good (elite talents like Hargraves notwithstanding). Do you remember how bad some of our guys looked as Freshman only to be all American's as juniors/seniors? Guys you may have heard of like Kirkpatrick, Milliner, Jackson, even Marquis Johnson. I mean Eddie Jackson probably looked the best of any freshman Corner that has played under Saban.
We play press man for a reason. Its hard for young guys to pick up but boy can it shut down offenses when its firing at all cylinders.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:32 am to OnTheBrink
IMO I think they make they make the defensive calls pre snap more complicated than it should be. Especially with these uptempo spread/read option type teams. Each time they change the D call, assignments change. That leads to a lot of busted coverages and missed assignments. Keep it simple., especially for younger, inexperienced guys. These are 18-21 year old kids who probably think about chasing tail 80% of the time.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:34 am to Libertyabides71
If our scheme is hard for young guys to pick up, and we have to rely on young guys, then why can't we simplify it for them instead of watching them struggle over and over again. I know our corners will get better (they can't get any worse), but why not change things up?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:34 am to BamaJuggs
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IMO I think they make they make the defensive calls pre snap more complicated than it should be. Especially with these uptempo spread/read option type teams.
I agree. Drove me frickin nuts last night watching three of four guys sub out play after play in the early going. The coaching staff outthinks itself against these HUNH teams and they have not found a way to keep up yet.
ETA: Seems like a majority of the time, the D is not set pre-snap and still trying to get guys lined up.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:49 am to chattabama
I understand the frustration. They usually go and sign a really good juco cb to help. But, we won 11 games with the guys we have. It's not like we can't stop anybody. We are so spoiled as a fan base. Pass rush, I get so tired of hearing how we can't runs the passer. Bama has won 3 NC out of 4 yrs not being able to rush the passer? As a fan, I'll take that. We have the best coach in the business. Is saban perfect? No. But I sure wouldn't swap him for any coach in the last 20yrs. Sometimes u just get beat by somebody who wants it a little more than u do. IMO that happened last night, and at auburn.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:55 am to Butkus51
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Bama has won 3 NC out of 4 yrs not being able to rush the passer?
Dareus? Jesse Williams? While not big pass rushers, they were disruptive. That was not there this year.
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Is saban perfect? No. But I sure wouldn't swap him for any coach in the last 20yrs.
Totally agree! Love Coach Saban. Would not trade for anyone. But I do feel like the HUNH is getting the best of him the past couple of years. You have to agree with that, no? Much like the NFL is a passing only league, college is transitioning and I do not feel like we are keeping up.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:44 am to chattabama
Saban's desired criteria for playing corner...
"Coaches calculate the grades by scoring each recruit based on three sets of criteria: character/attitude/intelligence, position-specific critical factors and a height/weight/speed chart. On Saban's grading scale the critical factors for a cornerback are:
• Can he judge the ball?
• Can he play man-to-man?
• Can he tackle?
The ideal height for a cornerback is between 6 feet and 6'2". The ideal weight is heavier than 180 pounds. The ideal speed is less than 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash. "
How many cornerbacks on Bama's depth chart meet that criteria? Not Belue, Jackson, Sylve, Smith, or Jones.
"Coaches calculate the grades by scoring each recruit based on three sets of criteria: character/attitude/intelligence, position-specific critical factors and a height/weight/speed chart. On Saban's grading scale the critical factors for a cornerback are:
• Can he judge the ball?
• Can he play man-to-man?
• Can he tackle?
The ideal height for a cornerback is between 6 feet and 6'2". The ideal weight is heavier than 180 pounds. The ideal speed is less than 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash. "
How many cornerbacks on Bama's depth chart meet that criteria? Not Belue, Jackson, Sylve, Smith, or Jones.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:51 am to BamaGradinTn
This I agree with. When Belue is your best corner a passing team is going to have field day. He continues to get lost there. Last night they were times he looked like he gave the WR a 10yd head start because he had no idea where his WR was. EJ did not look any better.
E Jackson is no where on par with Dre or Dee as a freshman. Jones and Sylve are athletes the staff is trying to convert but neither were full time DBs in HS IIRC. M Smith has the potential but not giving enough time on the field this year.
I wish G Smith was still an option but I do not get paid to make those decisions.
E Jackson is no where on par with Dre or Dee as a freshman. Jones and Sylve are athletes the staff is trying to convert but neither were full time DBs in HS IIRC. M Smith has the potential but not giving enough time on the field this year.
I wish G Smith was still an option but I do not get paid to make those decisions.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:12 am to TideWarrior
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E Jackson is no where on par with Dre or Dee as a freshman.
Kirkpatrick didn't even play on the first team defense when he was a freshman and Dee Milliner was the fan base's scapegoat for defense in 2010.
You are misremembering quite a bit.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:16 am to RollTide1987
Maybe you are misreading. I never said anything about play time or stats. I see what I see and think EJ is no where the talent those were coming in. The difference is because our other CBs were so bad this year he saw the field. But in my opinion if EJ would have came in the 2 years that Dre and Dee did he would have been RS.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:24 am to TideWarrior
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But in my opinion if EJ would have came in the 2 years that Dre and Dee did he would have been RS.
Wow. You should be an analyst for ESPN what with EJ being a true freshman and the hindsight of Kirkpatrick and Milliner being consensus 1st Team All-Americans.
Why don't we wait until he's a junior before we start judging Jackson's career. Kirkpatrick and Milliner didn't hit their stride until their junior years.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:27 am to RollTide1987
I thought that Jackson played well last night. Knight was on the money, but Jackson looks the part, IMO.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:36 am to Funky Tide 8
Jackson had a great game last night. And I remember the original Saban DB that got death threats who ended up having a damn fine game against Alshon Jeffery as a senior in 2009. Remember Marquis Johnson? Guy was routinely mocked in 2007, 2008, and through the first few games of 2009. He was the first guy our fanbase made the self aware "medical redshirt" jokes about. This despite him looking good as a freshman under Kines in 2006. Well not even a game but a particular series where he out dueled a guy who was taller than him by about 4 inches, a guy with a sick vertical jump as well. If you can find a replay of that game, rewatch it. Mark Ingram may have won the Heisman that night, but that drive where we turned the ball over and they threw 4 fades in a row at Johnson only for him to lock down Jeffery is more than anything what won us that ball game.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:43 am to Libertyabides71
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And Chavis's system is so simplified a brain dead chimp could learn it. And its also why the phrase "Third and Chavis" was invented.
Love our coaches but I don't understand why they don't take a closer look at LSU's defensive scheme against the HUNH...even with a down defense this year, LSU shut down the Gus bus and Johnny Football this year...while they struggled against more traditional offenses this year, they appear to have the HUNH pretty much figured out, at least the last 3 years or so any way...
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:50 am to RollTide1987
I voiced my opinion you do not like do not respond. You like to assume things about what I am saying. Again never said anything about play time and never said he would not become a great player for UA.
I stated my opinion that he is not on the level of Dre or Dee at this point. Plain and simple. And that if he came in the year Dee or Dre did he would be redshirted. Why you keep going off on another tangent to show your love for the kid is beyond me. But making shite up I say is foolish and again if you do not like my opinion stop responding.
I stated my opinion that he is not on the level of Dre or Dee at this point. Plain and simple. And that if he came in the year Dee or Dre did he would be redshirted. Why you keep going off on another tangent to show your love for the kid is beyond me. But making shite up I say is foolish and again if you do not like my opinion stop responding.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:52 am to Funky Tide 8
He does look to have a bright future but he is not ready and it shows how recruiting CBs is so big this year when he got thrown to the wolves because we have limited resources at the position at this time.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:54 am to TideWarrior
How do we know Eddie Jackson is not the level of Dre/Dee? He saw the field for how many games? You can talk about practice all you want, but until you are out there having to adjust to the game speed, you are not prepared. Same reason Dee looked like crap for the Jets until the end of the year. He had to adjust to the quickness of the game. Some things you just can't simulate in practice.
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