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Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:06 pm to SoFla Tideroller
You don't know where libertarianism falls on the political spectrum?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:10 pm to Fells
I (and seemingly a lot of people) equate far right with borderline if not straight up NAZI/KKK. Libertarians are by no means that. They are completely against authoritarianism.
The whole political spectrum being a flat line is dumb. Politics is far too complicated to be reduced to a straight line.
The whole political spectrum being a flat line is dumb. Politics is far too complicated to be reduced to a straight line.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:12 pm to stomp
None of that shows he was part of some large-scale movement. McVay's organization rallied thousands into the streets? Took over whole sections of American cities with the complicit assistance of city leaders? Coerced politicians to remove historical artifacts?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:14 pm to Fells
Wait, you equate a political movement that, when you boil it down, basically means "leave me the hell alone" as extremist? Holy shite...
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:23 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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None of that shows he was part of some large-scale movement.
"In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort. Seven murders occurred in the 1990s"
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[13] 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[14] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 31] Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999.[13] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 17][I 6][I 7] in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity.[15]
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:25 pm to stomp
April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City bombing: A truck bomb shattered the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. Far-right terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted in the bombing.
July 27, 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing by Eric Robert Rudolph occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, during the Atlanta Olympics. One person was killed and 111 injured. In a statement released in 2005 Rudolph said the motive was to protest abortion and the "global socialist" Olympic Movement.
July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Jim David Adkisson enters the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee with a shotgun, killing two and injuring several congregants before being tackled to the ground. Adkisson stated to the police and in a manifesto that he desired to kill Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. Adkisson pleaded guilty to the crime in February 2009 and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: 23-year-old Paul Ciancia kills a Transportation Security Administration agent and wounds 7 others, 3 of them TSA agents. Ciancia was shot and taken into custody. A note found in Ciancia's pocket said he believed he was a "patriot" upset at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and that he wanted to kill "TSA and pigs".
June 8, 2014: 2014 Las Vegas shootings: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza in a restaurant and one civilian were shot to death by Jerad and Amanda Miller, a married couple, in a suicide attack. A Gadsden flag, swastika and a note promising "revolution," was placed on the deceased officers bodies. The couple were thrown out of a patriot group defending rancher Cliven Bundy. The Millers were both killed in a shootout with police on the same day.
October 22–November 1, 2018: October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts: At least twelve confirmed packages containing pipe bombs were mailed within the U.S. Postal Service system to several prominent critics of U.S. President Donald Trump, including various Democratic Party politicians (Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker), actor Robert De Niro, billionaire investor George Soros, former CIA Director John O. Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. On October 26, a 56-year-old man named Cesar Altieri Sayoc Jr. was arrested by authorities in Plantation, Florida in connection with the explosive devices.[204] The suspect has a criminal history.[205] A white van covered in stickers (several showing support for Donald Trump) was also seized by authorities.
And this is just the most recent stuff.
July 27, 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing by Eric Robert Rudolph occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, during the Atlanta Olympics. One person was killed and 111 injured. In a statement released in 2005 Rudolph said the motive was to protest abortion and the "global socialist" Olympic Movement.
July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Jim David Adkisson enters the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee with a shotgun, killing two and injuring several congregants before being tackled to the ground. Adkisson stated to the police and in a manifesto that he desired to kill Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. Adkisson pleaded guilty to the crime in February 2009 and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: 23-year-old Paul Ciancia kills a Transportation Security Administration agent and wounds 7 others, 3 of them TSA agents. Ciancia was shot and taken into custody. A note found in Ciancia's pocket said he believed he was a "patriot" upset at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and that he wanted to kill "TSA and pigs".
June 8, 2014: 2014 Las Vegas shootings: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza in a restaurant and one civilian were shot to death by Jerad and Amanda Miller, a married couple, in a suicide attack. A Gadsden flag, swastika and a note promising "revolution," was placed on the deceased officers bodies. The couple were thrown out of a patriot group defending rancher Cliven Bundy. The Millers were both killed in a shootout with police on the same day.
October 22–November 1, 2018: October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts: At least twelve confirmed packages containing pipe bombs were mailed within the U.S. Postal Service system to several prominent critics of U.S. President Donald Trump, including various Democratic Party politicians (Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker), actor Robert De Niro, billionaire investor George Soros, former CIA Director John O. Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. On October 26, a 56-year-old man named Cesar Altieri Sayoc Jr. was arrested by authorities in Plantation, Florida in connection with the explosive devices.[204] The suspect has a criminal history.[205] A white van covered in stickers (several showing support for Donald Trump) was also seized by authorities.
And this is just the most recent stuff.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:39 pm to stomp
Just adding, not replying to stomp.
I voted for Sessions and think Tuberville is a lightweight who won with Trump's endorsement.
That said, I will vote for Tuberville because the possibility of handing control of the Senate to Democrats is terrifying.
Want more of what we are seeing in the streets, vote Democrat.
I voted for Sessions and think Tuberville is a lightweight who won with Trump's endorsement.
That said, I will vote for Tuberville because the possibility of handing control of the Senate to Democrats is terrifying.
Want more of what we are seeing in the streets, vote Democrat.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:40 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I (and seemingly a lot of people) equate far right with borderline if not straight up NAZI/KKK
I get that.
If Nazism or Mussolini's fascism are what we mean by far right, there is also not anything remotely comparable on any significant level with the left in America today, which kind of makes the use of those terms pointless, in that capacity.
In terms of being relevant to current American politics, Libertarians are far right and Democratic Socialists are far left, as a general rule.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:41 pm to CrimsonShadow
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Want more of what we are seeing in the streets, vote Democrat.
Weird since what we are seeing in the streets is literally Trump's America.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:48 pm to CrimsonShadow
quote:A movement to curb police brutality? I'd like to see that to it's conclusion.
Want more of what we are seeing in the streets, vote Democrat.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:52 pm to Fells
Like I said, I think the political spectrum scale is dumb. Libertarians, strongly believe in plenty of things (especially when it comes to social issues) that many on the left would agree with. People on the far-right are so far on the right that they wouldn't agree with hardly anything anyone on the left said. That doesn't make them left wing, but libertarians aren't far right either.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:01 pm to 1BamaRTR
Obviously, a line-based spectrum can't explain the nuance of a person worldview, but that doesn't mean it is dumb. It is specifically used in an economic sense, hence why you have libertarians on the far right and socialist dems on the far left.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:06 pm to Fells
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It is specifically used in an economic sense, hence why you have libertarians on the far right and socialist dems on the far left.
I forgot to add that part. In that case, yeah that would make sense. But far-right is associated with extremist racists groups for the most part. In what we were originally talking about, I didn't think we were talking about economic only.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:32 pm to CrimsonShadow
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Want more of what we are seeing in the streets, vote Democrat.
That stuff isn't dependent on who controls Washington. Protests flared up under the last 3 presidents.
Remember the 1992 L.A. Riots during the last days of GHWB?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 2:42 pm to 1BamaRTR
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In what we were originally talking about, I didn't think we were talking about economic only.
I got cha.
I feel like there are significant disconnects in the terms we all use and everyone wants to argue about them but rarely actually hash them out to make sure that we're all on the same page.
I appreciate the opportunity to do that with you, and I think that if there was a little more of that going on in our political discourse today, we would all benefit.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 3:00 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Is far right? What positions make them far right?
I’d say their ignorance and cowardice.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 3:10 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Wait, you equate a political movement that, when you boil it down, basically means "leave me the hell alone" as extremist? Holy shite...
I missed your comment. Depends on what you mean as extreme. Far left and far right are typically related to the center. Libertarianism at least is far right of center, which would then make it extreme. At most it is anarcho-capitalism which is even more so extreme.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:28 pm to stomp
These riots have nothing to do with protests, other than some useful idiots who are playing along.
They are promoted and paid for by anti-American backers who want to bring down the country. It isn't BLM. BLM is being used. George Floyd was just the opportunity to get it started.
This is freedom vs tyranny.
They are promoted and paid for by anti-American backers who want to bring down the country. It isn't BLM. BLM is being used. George Floyd was just the opportunity to get it started.
This is freedom vs tyranny.
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