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re: I voted for “fear the thumb”
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:40 pm to Kk74
Posted on 7/18/20 at 9:40 pm to Kk74
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His whole platform was basically, “Trump likes me, so vote for me”
Which is why he won't end up agreeing to a debate against Jones. Wouldn't stand a chance against a top tier prosecutor with actual policy platforms and legislative experience.
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Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:39 pm to Fells
Wait, you think Jones wants to defend the Democratic platform in front of Alabama voters?
Posted on 7/18/20 at 11:44 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I think Jones would relish the chance to walk circles around Tubs on live T.V.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:01 am to Fells
I don't think Jones wants to talk about his voting record on live TV.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:35 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I don't think Jones wants to talk about his voting record on live TV.
What part specifically?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:35 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I don't think Jones wants to talk about his voting record on live TV.
Other than his vote to impeach Trump, Jones has been as much of a centrist as you can get: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/doug_jones/412741
I think there are enough people that already dislike and distrust Tuberville that a debate could only help Jones.
Which is why Tuberville won't do it. He's going to cross his fingers and hope enough people just vote straight ticket Republican to get him elected to the Senate.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:02 am to stomp
All of it 
You think him being tied to the hip voting-wise with Chuck Shumer is going to play well with the electorate?
You think him being tied to the hip voting-wise with Chuck Shumer is going to play well with the electorate?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:09 am to mre
What's crazy is Jones is more of a Howell Heflin than some leftist lunatic in Schumer's hip pocket. Moderate and level headed. He could lead the charge of reviving the old Southern "conservative" wing of the Democratic Party to balance out the party from going too far left.
But Tubbie will probably beat him by 15 points. Alabama is still drunk off the Obama/Trump era culture wars.
But Tubbie will probably beat him by 15 points. Alabama is still drunk off the Obama/Trump era culture wars.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 1:27 am
Posted on 7/19/20 at 1:13 am to SoFla Tideroller
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You think him being tied to the hip voting-wise with Chuck Shumer is going to play well with the electorate?
Jones is center-right. At least fact-check what you hear on Rick & Bubba LOL
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Posted on 7/19/20 at 6:55 am to mre
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Other than his vote to impeach Trump, Jones has been as much of a centrist as you can get:
You can say that his vote to remove Trump was even centrist.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 7:12 am to stomp
That's not exactly his voting record, but I think his ideology from his voting record wouldn't be too far off from that chart.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 8:51 am to SoFla Tideroller
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All of it
Like the conservative banking deregulation bill he spearheaded on behalf of Regions?
The problem with Alabama conservatives is that it is all or nothing. If you don't completely follow suit with the republican party lines, you're an extreme left communist, which is absurd.
Jones was elected by democrats and moderates in Alabama. He isn't gonna jump in line to suck Trump's dick. That's not his job. That doesn't mean he is some sort of radical left party purist and that doesn't mean he hasn't established a record of reaching across the aisle in the short time he has been in the Senate.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:29 am to Fells
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The problem with Alabama conservatives is that it is all or nothing. If you don't completely follow suit with the republican party lines, you're an extreme left communist, which is absurd.
That definitely applies to the other side of things too. Go on Reddit or Twitter or to some highly liberal place and if you support one conservative viewpoint they immediately think you’re some hardcore Trump supporter. If you’re even somewhat conservative, they’ll label you far right.
The problem with politics is it’s too tribal. Most people think they’re moderates in their viewpoints, even though some of them are firmly on side or the other. So someone to the slightest bit right or left is seen as an extreme.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:08 pm to 1BamaRTR
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That definitely applies to the other side of things too
To some degree yes, but it is not the same.
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If you’re even somewhat conservative, they’ll label you far right.
I express conservative viewpoints regularly on reddit and have rarely been labeled as far right (though it has happened. Bernie bros aren't really into me). The democratic party relies on the "big tent", and as a result, the spectrum must broader than the other side's (much to the detriment of the party).
The Republican party has a much easier time being uniform and rallying everyone around a few key issues, with little deviation.
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The problem with politics is it’s too tribal.
This is absolutely correct and I agree with you there. Until we modify our system away from plurality and into majority-wins, we're not going to be able to recover and stand united. Under a system of plurality, you don't have to have great policy platforms, and it's much easier to motivate someone over fear and opposition than actual sensible policy discussions.
It is why we haven't had a functioning legislative branch in well over a decade and it allows other countries to exploit our political system for their own interests.
We need a new system that allows a spectrum of ideas. Until we do that, we're just going to be two sides at each other's throats until we crumble, which was a serious concern that the founding fathers had from the start.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:18 pm to 1BamaRTR
There is no "far right" in America.
Leftists try to label people who want to reduce taxes, scale back the federal bureaucracy, and reestablish private property rights as "far right" to demonize them.
Leftists try to label people who want to reduce taxes, scale back the federal bureaucracy, and reestablish private property rights as "far right" to demonize them.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:22 pm to SoFla Tideroller
There is a far right. There is going to be a country of 330M people. But it’s not as large as the media and social media make it out to be.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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There is no "far right" in America
There literally is an entire far right caucus in congress, the Freedom Caucus.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:36 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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There is no "far right" in America.
Eric Rudolph, Paul Jennings Hill, Tim McVay and their silent apologists would disagree.
This post was edited on 7/19/20 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:40 pm to Fells
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Freedom Caucus
Is far right? What positions make them far right?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 12:44 pm to stomp
Tim McVay was a part of an organized, visible large-scale movement? Or just a nut within a tiny circle of line wolves?
The personification of the "far right" to the Left and MSM is the KKK. In truth, if the KKK held a rally tomorrow they wouldn't have enough people to violate the social distancing mandates.
The personification of the "far right" to the Left and MSM is the KKK. In truth, if the KKK held a rally tomorrow they wouldn't have enough people to violate the social distancing mandates.
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