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Here is our biggest problem for the playoffs

Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:10 pm
Keep in mind, this is BEFORE we play Western Carolina.

Our numbers just aren't very good - they are MUCH worse than they have been in past years, even 2017. There just isn't much to sell with us . Our only chance is if we are competing with a 2-loss conference champ or 1-loss Clemson, IMHO.


Per Sagarin

Average Ranking of Wins
1. Oklahoma (#58)
2. Penn State (#60)
3. Oregon (#61)
4. Georgia (#66)
5. Utah (#69)
6. Alabama (#72)
7. Minnesota (#75)
8. Baylor (#79)


Average Ranking of Win Removing Worst Win
T1. Georgia (#47)
T1. Oklahoma (#47)
3. Penn State (#48)
4. Utah (#54)
5. Oregon (#55)
6. Alabama (#60)
7. Baylor (#62)
8. Minnesota (#67)


Ranking of Loss
1. Alabama (#1)
2. Baylor (#6)
3. Oregon (#13)
4. Minnesota (#15)
5. Penn St (#20)
6. Utah (#23)
7. Oklahoma (#28)
8. Georgia (#52)


Average Opponent Ranking
1. Oklahoma (#55)
2. Penn State (#56)
3. Oregon (#57)
4. Georgia (#64)
T5. Alabama (#65)
T5. Utah (#65)
7. Minnesota (#69)
8. Baylor (#72)


Record vs Top 10
Penn St : 1-0
Minnesota : 1-0
Alabama : 0-1
Baylor : 0-1
Oregon : 0-0
Utah : 0-0
Oklahoma : 0-0
Georgia : 0-0

Record vs Top 30
Georgia : 3-0
Baylor : 3-1
Oklahoma : 3-1
Penn St : 2-1
Oregon : 2-1
Alabama : 1-1
Minnesota : 1-1

Record vs Top 50
Georgia : 6-1
Penn State : 5-1
Baylor : 5-1
Oklahoma : 4-1
Utah : 4-1
Alabama : 3-1
Oregon : 3-1
Minnesota : 1-1


Sub-75 Opponents
1. Utah (2)
2. Baylor (3)
2. Oklahoma (3)
2. Penn State (3)
2. Georgia (3)
6. Alabama (4)
6. Oregon (4)
8. Minnesota (6)
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:19 pm to
Both Oregon and Utah would have 2 losses on Alabama's schedule minimum.

Kind of highlights the problem with using averages for SoS. It should be based on the record probabilities of teams on that schedule.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19694 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:20 pm to
They are closer than I would have thought
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:21 pm to
The biggest thing we have to do is show that our offense can function at near the same level without Tua.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Both Oregon and Utah would have 2 losses on Alabama's schedule minimum.


I mean, maybe?

The difference this year is that outside of LSU what else is there? Texas A&M I guess? Who else that we've beat are you so sure would beat Utah or Oregon?

In years past that was something that drug down our "averaged" SOS. But this year? Not really.

#1 LSU (10-0) (L)
#18 Texas A&M (7-3) (W)
#40 Tennessee (5-5) (W)
#41 Mississippi St (4-6) (W)
#52 South Carolina (4-7) (W)
#56 Ole Miss (4-7) (W)
#77 Southern Miss (7-3) (W)
#83 Duke (4-6) (W)
#113 Arkansas (2-8) (W)
#164 NMSU (1-9) (W)

Once you get past A&M there are a lot of really bad teams on there. Tennessee? State? Carolina? Ole Miss? A lot of years we had 2-3 Top 25 teams and then 2-3 border Top 25 teams (Top 30ish).

This year we have 1 Top 25 team and basically nobody else.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Our only chance is if we are competing with a 2-loss conference champ or 1-loss Clemson, IMHO.

Yeah, I agree. Although they won't say it, I think not having Tua will hurt us in the committee's final ranking...
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62763 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:35 pm to
I’ll ask this one question that, to me, just shows how difficult it is to compare teams that don’t play common opponents, nor have similar type schedules.
Looking at just 2 games: Auburn- Oregon, and Clemson- UNC, Clemson won on the strength of a failed 2 point conversion, where Oregon largely controlled the game but lost in the last minute.
Was Clemson a much better team against UNC than Oregon was against Auburn?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

I’ll ask this one question that, to me, just shows how difficult it is to compare teams that don’t play common opponents, nor have similar type schedules.
Looking at just 2 games: Auburn- Oregon, and Clemson- UNC, Clemson won on the strength of a failed 2 point conversion, where Oregon largely controlled the game but lost in the last minute.
Was Clemson a much better team against UNC than Oregon was against Auburn?



No, but Clemson won. And in the end that is all that matters since they are still undefeated.

Clemson's schedule would be the worst schedule on this list, FYI. Worse than Minnesota's. If Clemson loses 1 game they are without a doubt done in the discussion.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24923 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:40 pm to
Our schedule ended up trash. It is what it is. Getting Duke for the CFA game was bad and Duke has gone in the shitter even more so than usual.

South Carolina and Tennessee from the East were no help.

The West is shite outside of us, the one team we lost to and the one team we haven't played yet (well A&M isn't that bad, solid team that looks bad because of a brutal schedule).

WE SHOULD NOT BE SCHEDULING WEST CAROLINA AND RARELY A TEAM LIKE NEW MEXICO STATE.

Teams like Duke and Southern Miss should be the bottom two teams on the OOC schedule NOT the top two teams.

We need ZERO FCS games. We should play one perennial top 15 type program OOC every year, at least one (preferably 2) solid P5 teams (a team that isn't necessarily always ranked but almost always has a winning season in P5), and then whatever FBS rent-a-win we can line up.

To Alabama's credit we usually do try and schedule the top 15 type game but we whiffed this year. The problem is we don't usually leave room for error because it is that one good OOC game and then a lot of trash.

Like next year we have:

USC
Ga State
Kent St
UT Martin

USC is fine, but those other 3 are not going to help. If USC ends up not ranked and we are a 1 loss team needing to tout resume we could be in the same spot again. Having GA from the East will help at least.






This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:42 pm to
It would be nice if we could start strategically scheduling the #2/#3 OOC game the same way we strategically schedule solid mid-majors in basketball.

I know you can't predict who will be good or bad, but you can have a general idea. For instance, New Mexico State is probably going to be the worst D1 team in America. That is predictable. On the flip side, App St, Memphis, Toledo, Utah St, San Diego St and Wyoming are probably going to be somewhere between good and solid.

This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:01 pm to
quote:


The difference this year is that outside of LSU what else is there? Texas A&M I guess? Who else that we've beat are you so sure would beat Utah or Oregon?


Auburn already beat Oregon...
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:02 pm to
A&M beating Georgia would be nice. Then we would need to kick hell out of Auburn.

That would get us in.......

I think
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

Auburn already beat Oregon...



Ok, but we haven't played them yet.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:18 pm to
quote:



Ok, but we haven't played them yet.




Sure, but we know it's coming and that it's going to be an extremely important game for those reasons.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Sure, but we know it's coming and that it's going to be an extremely important game for those reasons.



Yea, the only problem is Oregon theoretically will add a win over Utah. And then you get into comparing a game from August to one from late November.

I guess my main takeaway is that we don't clearly stand out, at all, and that is going to be a problem when other teams have conference titles and very similar (if not slightly better) resumes/top wins/etc.

But who knows, we'll all find out soon enough. Maybe we can get some chaos and throw all this stuff out the window.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:29 pm to
It’s always possible for chaos, I think if we look really pedestrian against AU we won’t make it in. Even with a close win. We need to have control of the game and win by 10 or more. That will give them something to chew on. Otherwise we are screwed. Of course TAMU beating UGA or some other crazy stuff puts us square in the playoff whether we like it or not.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

It’s always possible for chaos, I think if we look really pedestrian against AU we won’t make it in. Even with a close win. We need to have control of the game and win by 10 or more. That will give them something to chew on. Otherwise we are screwed. Of course TAMU beating UGA or some other crazy stuff puts us square in the playoff whether we like it or not.




I think if we don't look good against Auburn, then I hope we don't get in. Because we will just end up losing and it'll just be fuel for a bunch of bullshite.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22665 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

Yea, the only problem is Oregon theoretically will add a win over Utah. And then you get into comparing a game from August to one from late November.

I guess my main takeaway is that we don't clearly stand out, at all, and that is going to be a problem when other teams have conference titles and very similar (if not slightly better) resumes/top wins/etc.

But who knows, we'll all find out soon enough. Maybe we can get some chaos and throw all this stuff out the window.


Seems like you aren't giving Alabama credit for the Auburn win, which would also be happening.

I think if they compare Oregon to Alabama's schedule then it becomes clear. 2 losses vs 1. Then you look at it from the flip side, undefeated Alabama.

But as I was saying above, if we don't look really good against Auburn and like a team that has a real chance to still win it, then I think it would be best to just miss out on it. Need a statement game.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62763 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:40 pm to
Does anyone really believe that Alabama can't find worthy OOC opponents?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

Does anyone really believe that Alabama can't find worthy OOC opponents?





I don't think we have problems finding high end OOC opponents.

I absolutely think we have problems finding solid 2nd tier OOC opponents. I don't think high end G5 teams want anything to do with us (understandably) and I don't think middling P5 teams want anything to do with us.
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