re: Grade the starters through 5 games

maybe i'm wrong on this train of thought, lol, have been before. but here goes. it seems to me that cns is a lot like stallings in that, the best practice players play, regardless of how they perform in the actual games. and, just a bit of seniority is in play also. the upper classman that performs well thru the week in practice, plays, period. shades of riddell vs alexander is in my mind. so, am i any where in the ballpark with this thought?

ROTFLMAO at the low grades for Griffith. Perfect on PATs, 8/11 on FGs, 4/6 on FGs from 40-49. People acting like a kicker should be perfect from 45-55...silly. We don't win the WVA game without Adam Griffith. And he did far less to cost us the OM game that others with higher grades.

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Perfect on PATs, 8/11 on FGs, 4/6 on FGs from 40-49. People acting like a kicker should be perfect from 45-55...

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Statistics never tell the full truth.

Would you be okay with us having kickers for the next decade who only make the kicks in games that don't matter, while they miss key or multiple kicks in our big matches??

I know I wouldn't be.

He can go 20-24 on kicks next season but if he is missing very makeable ones in the big games against our toughest opponents it isn't a solution; it's a problem.

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Would you be okay with us having kickers for the next decade who only make the kicks in games that don't matter, while they miss key or multiple kicks in our big matches??

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See my other posts. What it is about the fact that we wouldn't have won the WVA game without him that you don't understand?

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That makes absolutely zero sense. One was from beyond 50. To say that any 50+ yard FG "should have been made", is fricking ludicrous. For starters, use a little of those math and science skills that anyone who calls himself an Alabama fan should have and grasp the fact that as you go farther back, the kicker's target gets smaller and smaller and his margin of error gets less and less. And let's not forget that it was a windy day.

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Sue me, so one of them were 51 yards. Doesn't take away from the fact that he should have made it. You're making it seem like a 51 yard field goal is some feat never done before. The 46 yarder he didn't even angle it toward the uprights. Ole Miss kicker had no problem wit his 46 yarder one drive earlier though.

Another thing you did not note is he has missed three in a row.

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Do you expect every pass to be on the money? You expect perfection, and perfection isn't gonna happen. The facts are that the total production from Griffith has been very good.

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I expect him to make the kicks that matter. No differently than I expect other players to make the plays that matter.

All he does is kick. Stop coping pleas for this guy. It's like I'm witnessing Cade Foster2 here.

He plays poorly -> people make excuses -> he scores meaningless FG's -> people say I told you so -> He yet again misses important field goals -> I say I told you so.

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50+ yard field goals should be made? Every time? By your reasoning then, I'm guessing all field goals attempted should be made...not very realistic. For field goals less than 40 yards, I'll agree with you...

Also, I think we had negative yardage plays by our offense before both of his misses...so if we don't have those, maybe the kicks would've been more manageable...

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Did I say he should make every field goal or did I say he should make the ones in the big games that count the most?

He missed a 51 yard field goal. Y'all making it seems like it was 59 yards and he was an inch away.

He also missed a 46 yarder this game and another 40 yarder the previous game.

I'm sorry I'm not crowning him for missing field goals and giving him an A+.

Grade the starters through 5 games (Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:36 pm)02
Blake Sims: B+
TJ Yeldon: C+
Cam Robinson: A
Arie Kouandjio: B
Ryan Kelly: C
Leon Brown: D--
Austin Shepherd: A-
Amari Cooper: A+
DeAndrew white: B
Christion Jones: C-
Brian Vogler: C
Jalston Fowler: B+

Jon Allen: B+
A'Shawn Robinson: C+
Jarren Reed: B
Xzavier Dickson: B+
Denzel Devall: C
Trey DePriest: C-
Reggie Ragland: B
Cyrus Jones: B-
Tony Brown: C+
Landon Collins: B
Nick Perry: D
Adam Griffith: C-
JK Scott: A

It's close between him and trey

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I'm just not a fan of kickers.

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I can respect that...especially considering the non-proportional impact a kicker can have on a game. I remember a reporter, way back in the day, mention how he hated kickers...to paraphrase he said he hated when a prima donna kicker marched out late in a game and stole credit for the victory from the "real men" who had been busting their butts for 60 minutes. While this rings true, kickers also seem to get a non-proportional share of the blame when they fail...

A kicker is only as good as his last game (or last memorable game any way). Van Tiffin is the most beloved kicker in Alabama history...everyone remembers "The Kick" back in the '85 Iron Bowl...and it's one of my favorite Bama memories. However few remember that his FG% that year was not stellar (he was 17-26) and this was in the era where the goal posts were wider and you could still kick FGs off of a tee. He also missed several kicks that year that could've conceivably kept Bama out of the SEC/National championship picture. He missed a 52-yarder against Penn State in a game we lost 19-17...and he was 0 for 2 in FGs in a tie game (14-14) against LSU. He also missed a 61-yarder as time expired in a 16-14 loss to Tennessee, but you can't reasonably expect to convert that one. In a season where we finished 9-2-1, a couple of makeable FGs against Penn State & LSU could've easily put us at 11-1 and in contention for a championship. But with the dramatics of "The Kick", the previous games were forgotten (and, I could argue, justifiably so)...

Fast forward to last year...before the Iron Bowl, Cade Foster had made 11 of 12 FGs...a good reckoning by any standard...after his 3 misses against Auburn, all of that was forgotten. Several fans questioned why Foster was the starting kicker because "he sucked" (choosing to ignore that he was 11-12 beforehand). Now all that Cade's remembered for is his Iron Bowl performance...

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I'm not sure where the Perry hate is coming from, but he always seems to get unwarranted hate. Collins has gotten beat much more than Perry. I really can't remember too many bad plays by Perry this year.

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i agree. not sure where the hate is coming from. He got ran over one time and missed the tackle on the 1 yard line when Treadwell scored. He's just a guy some of our fans like to hate on.