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re: FSU and Clemson to the Big Ten per Brett McMurphy
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:39 pm to Carlton
Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:39 pm to Carlton
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Tallanasty
I feel your sentiment, but as a spouse of an FSU alum and former faculty at FSU … it’s Trailerhassee or Tallatrashy… take your pick..
but I’m gonna add that one to the mix… This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 8:42 pm
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 8:57 pm to AbSnopes
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Virginia not Va Tech. You want THE state university, not the 2nd rate add on. You want Alabama, not Auburn.
Virgina is not the state university for anything other than academics. When is the last time Virginia was relevant in anything relative to sports?
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:57 pm to Alfie Solomons
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Virgina is not the state university for anything other than academics. When is the last time Virginia was relevant in anything relative to sports?
They won the 2019 national title in men's basketball
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:15 pm to Diego Ricardo
Also Nattys in baseball 2015 and lacrosse 2021 as well as the last 4 women's swimming and diving nattys. VT has never won a team national championship.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:38 pm to AbSnopes
Maybe about UVA, but having grown up near there, worked there years ago, it’s a TERRIBLE fit for the SEC culturally. Moreover, you’d be amazed how much they look down their collective noses at the South.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:12 pm to Amarillo Tide
I'll defer to you because you lived near there but from what I've seen of Charlottesville they will fit in just fine . We ain't talking Rutgers. Blacksburg is freaking mountain folk, they aren't a fit culturally . Anyway I don't think the fit matters, it will all be one big college football "league* in the near future.
. We ain't talking Rutgers. Blacksburg is freaking mountain folk, they aren't a fit culturally . Anyway I don't think the fit matters, it will all be one big college football "league* in the near future. 
Posted on 6/1/24 at 5:19 am to Carlton
quote:It's the students not the residents.
I'll defer to you because you lived near there but from what I've seen of Charlottesville they will fit in just fine . We ain't talking Rutgers. Blacksburg is freaking mountain folk, they aren't a fit culturally . Anyway I don't think the fit matters, it will all be one big college football "league* in the near future.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:25 am to Carlton
Blacksburg is no different than Lexington or Knoxville. Plus, VA Tech has a huge alumni base in the DMV area. TV markets that would add to the SEC blueprint. Expansion is going to be based on TV markets hence why the B10 wants in the South. UVA will not offer as much as VT could.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:26 am to Amarillo Tide
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Moreover, you’d be amazed how much they look down their collective noses at the South.
This is even truer in Chapel Hill with the students and the community.
Not sure how SEC fans see other football fans that go to games wearing argyle sweaters as a fit culturally.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:03 am to TideWarrior
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Blacksburg is no different than Lexington or Knoxville. Plus, VA Tech has a huge alumni base in the DMV area. TV markets that would add to the SEC blueprint. Expansion is going to be based on TV markets hence why the B10 wants in the South. UVA will not offer as much as VT could.
Living in DC before I doubt having VT gets you much, experienced way more UVa in that area then (DC, Arlington and Baltimore), I did work in gov lol. Quite frankly It's like having GT in Atlanta. It like yeah they are there but there are way more people from other schools that have a bigger presence it is almost irrelevant. Beyond that I don't think the TV market argument is really relevant, it is about the brand of the school. I get that part of the B1G expansion is driven by that but it also isn't anywhere else to go and part of it is like Texas and OU to the SEC, the schools are calling the conference and asking to come. In the near future it will all be one league like the NFL. There will be a Big conference and an SEC conference, they will eventually get renamed and it will get realigned to make it make since geographically.
Beyond that UVA just offers way more both athletically and academically. UVA has Nattys in Basketball, Baseball, Lacrosse, Men's Tennis, Men's Soccer and Women's swimming in the last 10 years. They are considered a public Ivy and has a better national and global alumni base. VT has never won a team Natty and rarely gets close.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:06 am to tattoo
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It's the students not the residents.
Don't think the students match "SEC culture" either. They cultish like A&M. That is really what you are asking for, another A&M
. Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:14 am to TideWarrior
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This is even truer in Chapel Hill with the students and the community.
Not sure how SEC fans see other football fans that go to games wearing argyle sweaters as a fit culturally
I don't get this argument though. They are still southerners even if they are stuck up. All of our expansions schools weren't really fits at first. Plus you don't want everyone the same. You need villains even if they are just variations on the theme. You can a spend hours complaining about stuck up wanna be Yankees instead of just complaining about a different version of TAMU or Auburn. UNC and UVA would be great additions.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:47 pm to Carlton
The majority of the students may be instate, but the families are no longer NC families. They move in from everywhere because the state is very attractive for multiple reasons. But the argument is about culture. Chapel Hill maybe one of the most liberal cities in the south. It is like CA here. Lived in CA so know a little about it and now reside in CH for the last 13 years.
Even the tailgating for football games start 1 hour before the game on little weber grills and all closed up by game time. Game day here is nothing like any school in the SEC I have been to. Once the game is over it is quickly forgotten about. BBall on the other hand is a different story. But when your rival in BBall is 7 miles down the road it makes sense.
UNC, NC State, VA Tech, and UVA would all make sense. In the end the goal is to lock up the TV markets. Grabbing one or two from each state would do that. FSU and CU are big catches for TV markets. If they were their current contracts would be better. Just the B10 trying to get into the south.
Even the tailgating for football games start 1 hour before the game on little weber grills and all closed up by game time. Game day here is nothing like any school in the SEC I have been to. Once the game is over it is quickly forgotten about. BBall on the other hand is a different story. But when your rival in BBall is 7 miles down the road it makes sense.
UNC, NC State, VA Tech, and UVA would all make sense. In the end the goal is to lock up the TV markets. Grabbing one or two from each state would do that. FSU and CU are big catches for TV markets. If they were their current contracts would be better. Just the B10 trying to get into the south.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:13 pm to TideWarrior
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The majority of the students may be instate, but the families are no longer NC families. They move in from everywhere because the state is very attractive for multiple reasons. But the argument is about culture.
You could say the same about Bama on this point.
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. I realize I misread this part though, Bama is the reverse, out of state student in a red area although Bham, Huntsville and Mobile are full of transplants these days. quote:
But the argument is about culture. Chapel Hill maybe one of the most liberal cities in the south. It is like CA here. Lived in CA so know a little about it and now reside in CH for the last 13 years.
Does this matter? Austin is super liberal. Lexington is too. Atlanta is purple. Is this about football culture, political culture, southern culture?
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Even the tailgating for football games start 1 hour before the game on little weber grills and all closed up by game time. Game day here is nothing like any school in the SEC I have been to. Once the game is over it is quickly forgotten about. BBall on the other hand is a different story. But when your rival in BBall is 7 miles down the road it makes sense.
This is fair sounds like a football culture argument. I would take the football lameness of UNC and UVA over the overall lameness of Blacksburg but that is a personal preference. Much rather be in the research triangle than Blacksburg.
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UNC, NC State, VA Tech, and UVA would all make sense. In the end the goal is to lock up the TV markets. Grabbing one or two from each state would do that. FSU and CU are big catches for TV markets. If they were their current contracts would be better. Just the B10 trying to get into the south.
I hear this but I still feel this is an old argument. We are moving into professional style of athletics now. It isn't can you get a team that gets you eyeballs in DC, it is can you have brands that when they play can get eyeballs anywhere. Schools are no longer regional institutions anymore they are national brands. Clemson and FSU are not a big get for TV market as far as getting eyeballs in SC and Florida in my opinion. However they are a national brand that can get TV eyeballs everywhere, which I feel is most important now. B1G doesn't care about CU because of that region of the south TV wise, it is because when Ohio State plays Clemson, everyone, everywhere will watch. Of all the schools mentioned, CU, FSU, UVA, UNC NC State and VT, VT is by far the weakest brand. Might be giving NC State to much credit
ETA: UVA and UNC are just better Kentucky's while VT is just a much worse TAMU.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:12 pm to Carlton
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You could say the same about Bama on this point.
UA if I am not mistaken has far more out of state students than instate. UNC only allows 18% of undergrad enrollment to be out of state but again most of the instate kids that go there are mostly from families not from the NC or the south.
Grad school might as well be somewhere in Asia.
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Does this matter? Austin is super liberal. Lexington is too. Atlanta is purple. Is this about football culture, political culture, southern culture?
I only responded because you made the statement about yankees.
But now in regard to national recognition if that is the standard I would take none of them. But if ranking the ACC teams for national ratings VT is greater than the other three.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:17 pm to TideWarrior
You are right, I had it backwards. I was correcting it as you posted. And fair play on the viewership, but it seems Marginal. This is a football argument so I will take my lumps on that if that all we want to consider. However I think UVA and UNC would make up that value loss with basketball (and most other athletics) by some margin.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:15 pm to Carlton
Overall including all sports, I think both UNC and UVA would be great for the SEC. UNC football has at least been going in a positive direction.
In the end grabbing one from both states adds to both the regional footprint for the conference and more TV markets.
In the end grabbing one from both states adds to both the regional footprint for the conference and more TV markets.
Posted on 6/2/24 at 8:51 am to TideWarrior
UVA doesn’t take football seriously. Most of the time, the stands are only about 2/3 to 3/4 full. The athletic department has to plead to get people to come.
Basketball they take very seriously. It’s really hard to get tickets to basketball.
Basketball they take very seriously. It’s really hard to get tickets to basketball.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 7:27 am to Amarillo Tide
Bama dead unless the little to mid economic man gets involved with nil
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:44 am to rtr23242526
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