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re: Does anyone actually think a healthy, experienced Ty Simpson wouldn’t have won the Heisman

Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:19 pm to
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It's not that rare for a first-year starter to win an NC. Hell, 4 different Bama QBs have done it. It'll definitely happen in this era. But sure, I'll keep you updated


That’s like saying it’s not rare for young basketball teams to win the NC and quoting the teams from 7-10 years ago that have done it. Since portal NIL, all championships won are by relatively experienced teams (particularly the guards).

I’m sure there will be a statistical outlier at some point, as statistics require that given a large enough sample size. However, expecting or hoping to be a statistical outlier is a terrible way to manage a sports team.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:21 pm to
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However, expecting or hoping to be a statistical outlier is a terrible way to manage a sports team.


Doesn't seem any worse than keeping guys with generational talent on the bench and hoping they don't transfer.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:22 pm to
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So we should have started Formby all year at RT instead of the true Freshman "next" guy? How about when we replaced Domani with Dijon Lee? Was that also the wrong move? How about Brooks? Should he have sat behind guys with more experience?


You just quoted all non QBs to argue about QB experience? Jeremiah Smith won a championship at OSU last year believe as a freshman WR. Has nothing to do with QB experience.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:25 pm to
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generational talent


Possibly the most overused phrase in all of sports.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:25 pm to
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You just quoted all non QBs to argue about QB experience? Jeremiah Smith won a championship at OSU last year believe as a freshman WR. Has nothing to do with QB experience.


Oh, sorry, I didn't realize your "next" mentality was solely related to QBs. True Freshman and other first-year starters are allowed to play, provided they're not QBs. Got it.

At this point I understand what your position is and I happen to disagree. I hope KDB does too.

Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:25 pm to
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Possibly the most overused phrase in all of sports.


If you've watched his tape and think there's a better phrase to describe his talent, I'd love to hear it.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 5:29 pm
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:30 pm to
I think we both can agree that we hope Keelon plays for Bama for his whole collegiate career and that he wins us a NC.

I just hope you don’t put multi-year QB expectations on him in his first year of starting. Seems you’ve done that to Ty, but maybe I’m wrong.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:34 pm to
Ty played scared the entire second half of the season. Go back and watch the first offensive play of the last game, Ty had protection long enough to make a pass or get rid of the ball and he bailed. At this point Ty is a head case worried about injury. He needs to either go pro or transfer.

I don’t think DeBoer can survive letting Keelon transfer, or at least he shouldn’t. It would be a waste not getting multiple years out of him, he probably should have started this year.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:39 pm to
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he probably should have started this year.


So you wanted to be Michigan instead of beating all our rivals, going to the SECCG, winning a CFP game, and going to the Rose Bowl?

I’m sure the comments about DeBoer would have been totally reasonable if he missed the playoffs again and possibly lost to UT or AU by starting a true freshman QB
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:47 pm to
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I'm sure there was anything he could have done to keep Sayin around

Sayin isn’t that elite either. You saw what he did against strong competition.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:53 pm to
I think the only thing that matters is getting the online sorted out. Everything on offense that went wrong started there, it's crazy how bad it's been. If we are going to spend portal money it needs to be there. Need a new line coach of course
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:54 pm to
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Sayin isn’t that elite either. You saw what he did against strong competition.

Neither are the “generational talents” of Underwood at Michigan or Arch at UT.

People don’t seem to understand that highly rated QB prospects aren’t a sure thing. How many “generational talent” QB recruits turn into top 5 picks in the NFL or make the pro bowl multiple years? They aren’t a sure thing…but the lumps they come with in their first year are almost a certainty.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 5:56 pm to
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I think the only thing that matters is getting the online sorted out. Everything on offense that went wrong started there, it's crazy how bad it's been. If we are going to spend portal money it needs to be there. Need a new line coach of course


100% agree. OL is the most important unit on offense. Nothing works without them.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:12 pm to
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They aren’t a sure thing…but the lumps they come with in their first year are almost a certainty.


Bryce won the Heisman as a true sophomore his first year starting and would have won a natty if not for a plethora of injuries. What lumps did he come with?
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1581 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:23 pm to
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Bryce won the Heisman as a true sophomore his first year starting and would have won a natty if not for a plethora of injuries. What lumps did he come with?


Nah man, that can’t be right. According to the dude with his teams all over the country, only a second year starter can be successful, oh and the oline is all of a sudden the most import thing on offense after saying and experienced QB was for the last 2 pages.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
8253 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:26 pm to
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Bryce won the Heisman as a true sophomore his first year starting and would have won a natty if not for a plethora of injuries. What lumps did he come with?


Go read this board during Bryce’s sophomore year. I was here…I heard all about how he was holding the ball too long, missing wide open receivers due too being too short, etc.

Sayin almost did the same thing and probably would have if they beat Indiana in the B10CG. Still lost first playoff game

Edit: the “if injuries” take is a pretty ironic hypothetical given the discussion in this thread
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 6:37 pm
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35163 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:27 pm to
Was this copy and pasted from TideFans.com? Right next to the “Shula deserved another year” and “Dubose was close” threads.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1581 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:31 pm to
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copy and pasted from TideFans.com?


Good grief…why would someone try and defend this nonsense if it’s not even an original thought. People are so weird.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
8253 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 6:35 pm to
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Was this copy and pasted from TideFans.com? Right next to the “Shula deserved another year” and “Dubose was close” threads.


I’ve actually been one of DeBoer’s biggest critics on this board starting early last year. But thanks for accusing me of being a sunshine pumper, I’m usually considered the “negative troll” when pointing out obvious criticisms.


You must be one of the “Fire Saban” people from a few years ago. Those people were incredibly reasonable, just like the “tell Ty to get lost” people are now. It’s actually funny to watch.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
5047 posts
Posted on 1/4/26 at 7:22 pm to
Answering your question … no.

I just deleted a big screed defending that position but you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe, neither of us is going to change the other’s mind, so it’s pointless to waste time trying. Just no.
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