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re: Damn we need some help. CFP related...

Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:28 pm to
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15846 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:28 pm to
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1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Texas
4. Alabama


I don't see Michigan beating tOSU. They've had struggle wins ever since the scandal broke and the pressure's only going to build.

Posted by Cousin Key
Member since Dec 2017
988 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:31 pm to
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You act like this is the same committee as every other year. THIS committee has Oregon ahead of us and we haven't budged from #8 no matter how good we've looked or how bad Texas has looked.


I don’t think the entire committee really believes Oregon is clearly better than Bama imo. Their hands are tied though. My guess is they see Oregon as more impressive than Texas, and we are stuck behind Texas as long as they only have one loss.

I think if we win out, we need just one of the following thing to happen

1) Texas loss
2) FSU loss
3) Washington loss
4) OSU/Michigan winner loss in Big 10 championship
Posted by 11and18gggchamp
Tuscaloosa, Al
Member since Jan 2021
1681 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:17 pm to
My concern, or big question maybe, is what do they do with uga if we beat them. As all ready discussed, would they really drop #1, especially it being the 2 time defending champion, all the way to #5? So if they don't drop them out, who else gets left out??? Does Bama? Could they possibly put uga in and not us even though we beat them? I don't think so, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. The only people talking about Bama getting in is us. I guarantee pundits will say uga should be in regardless and at least one will suggest Bama shouldn't. IMO
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:58 pm to
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Why would Bama not be in and Texas and will? Head to head? Then why doesn’t head to head apply to Bama and UGA in this scenario


I didn't say Tx was in. They are on the outside looking in. And I believe that Bama beats UGa then they jump TX but jumping tx doesn't he get Bama to 3 or 4 ..UGa is in as of this point as long as they don't screw around and lose to Tech. FSU has to lose for Bama to have a chance or Ore has to lose to Ore St then beat uW in the pac12. If both Ore and Wash win this wknd.... Then that winner is in. So that leaves several one loss teams vying for 1 spot...but if FSU wins out.. it's not inconceivable that Bama ends up the first team out. OSU vs Ga FSu Vs Wash/Ore It would laugh till Christmas if UGa were dropped to 5 after Bama winning the SEC but again I don't see any way that a #1 drops that far ( many of the same arguments that Bama has made over the years can also be made by UGa)

And after NMSU....a struggle against AU will hurt
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 8:01 pm
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6088 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 9:58 pm to
The perception for most will be the winner of the Bama GA game will be the best team regardless of the playoffs. Given that, the committee has to bump Texas and Oregon or they are undermining the legitimacy of the event.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 9:59 pm
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
1193 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 10:29 pm to
Nope, if we win the SEC we are AUTO in, if we lose we will have 2 loses. Pretty simple stuff. Should have been in over TCU last year. Oregon has not played the schedule we have, should be above them now. Neither has Texas, they say they look at the whole season, so if that so, the tougher schedule with one loss should be ahead.
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
5696 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 10:41 pm to
There's one thing the committee would love to do....keep the SEC from winning another Natty!
How does that happen?

1. Ohio state/Michigan winner is in
2. Oregon/Washington winner is in
3. FSU wins out they're in
4. Texas wins out they're in

If Alabama beats Georgia, both are out.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22235 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 10:55 pm to
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There's one thing the committee would love to do....keep the SEC from winning another Natty!
How does that happen?

1. Ohio state/Michigan winner is in
2. Oregon/Washington winner is in
3. FSU wins out they're in
4. Texas wins out they're in


I think we MIGHT jump texas in this scenario, but this is a lot more possible than a some seem to realize. We're not jumping an undefeated conference champion, and it would be very easy for them to justify texas getting in ahead of us.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
6107 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:16 am to
Patience, grasshopper. Win out and BAMA is in. Trust the Process. RMFT
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
5696 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:11 am to
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and it would be very easy for them to justify texas getting in ahead of us.

And if we beat Georgia, they can also justify texas getting in over georgia, simply because texas beat us.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26444 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:16 am to
I know this has shite to do with this year/this committee but I thought I remember reading that the final 4 by the CFP committee has matched the simulated final 4 of the BCS every year. That surprised me a bit, and maybe that was wrong, but it WAS on the internet so....

Anyway, Bama is currently 6 in the simulated BCS (ahead of Oregon and Texas). That would only go higher with wins over Auburn and Georgia.

I've always said I preferred the BCS formula (tweak it from time to time if you must). It essentially aggregates the opinion of hundreds of diverse voters and multiple diverse computer rankings (using millions of data points). By definition this GREATLY reduces the impact of team/conference/other bias, particularly compared to a small group of a dozen partisan/affiliated committee members.

One partisan AP or coaches voter among hundreds of voters and multiple computer inputs can't sway much. It's a small fraction of one percent of the input/decision. One partisan committee member's vote is worth 1/12 of the decision (over 8%)!
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
86671 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:57 am to
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You can repeat this as much as you want but they have never stated that and they have shown in the past they fit the teams they have to.
Oregon remaining ahead of Alabama every week should show you they are going to do everything in their power to keep Alabama out.

There is NO way Oregon should be ranked ahead of us with their zero top 25 wins.
Posted by EGO3x
Member since Oct 2023
1674 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:22 am to
I hate to sound like a broken record but we need 1 team to lose and that's IT. We do not want pure chaos to unfold because then UGA gets in as well(assuming we beat them).

I don't care how confident you are in your team against anyone in the country...you do not want to play an equally matched team again.

That means we'd have to beat them twice to be champions...Georgia would just have to beat us once. You don't want to be in that situation. It's BS tbh.

I predicted this would unfold again before the season looking at UGA's cake OOC schedule and our tough schedule. They'll cruise to 12-0 affording them a mulligan opportunity in ATL while we'd be 11-1 and have to win to get in.

Playing a tough OOC schedule is not worth it in CFB. Not at all. It's only about your record.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
18555 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:41 pm to
The committee is in a holding pattern until the championship games are over. It’s what the reality is.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26444 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:52 pm to
SEC/ACC rivalry week implications. Obviously Florida over FSU would be the big one for Bama.

But does UK over Louisville move the needle much for Bama. We played UK. FSU will play Louisville in the ACCCG.

SC over Clemson. We didn't play SC but Clemson is a "quality" win for FSU and would be good to make sure Clemson didn't sneak into the final CFP top 25.

UGA over GT obviously needs to happen.

Probably doesn't matter because undefeated FSU is likely going over 12-1 Alabama but on the slim chance the committee is wavering on a Travis-less FSU at all, might not hurt for the SEC to dominate the ACC this weekend.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17898 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Then you clearly don't understand how this works.


Kirk Herbstreit just co-signed what I have been saying in this thread.

An undefeated FSU would be left out to include an undefeated B10, SEC champion, undefeated Washington and B12 Champion Texas.


As I have said in multiple threads if too many teams lose Georgia will back their way in. We don't want that.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted by The Quiet One
Former United States
Member since Oct 2013
11969 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:07 pm to
For *this* weekend, we're rooting for...

Beat the barn senseless, but style doesn't matter too much
UGA beats GT
Mich/Ohio State whoever you hate least, don't matter
UK/UL doesn't matter, UL has a horrific loss on their record

Would be very nice if just one of the following happens...
Texas Tech beats Texas - 2 losses = done
Washington State beats Washington - Wash would have a bad loss and/or Oregon's win over them would be very diminished
Florida beats Florida State - FSU with a bad loss would kill them

We don't want pure chaos because UGA is right back in it in the event we knock them off in the SECCG.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22235 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:07 pm to
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An undefeated FSU would be left out


That just sounds like hopes and dreams to me. This committee has done nothing to make me think they view the SEC being far above the other conferences. UGA is just now ranked #1 and they haven't lost a game in 2 years. I don't get the feeling the committee members would win much money betting on football.

I don't know what they'll do, but I'll be really sweating it if we win out and there are no upsets.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17898 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:43 pm to
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That just sounds like hopes and dreams to me.



Same Herbstreit was vehemently against Alabama sneaking in unless OSU had two losses.

These guys push narratives and their is precedent for this to happen.. regardless of if people want it to occur or not
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22235 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:00 pm to
Well, I think either Texas or FSU is going to lose a game. If that happens, I'm not worried.

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