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re: Class of 2019 Recruiting MEGATHREAD: That's a Wrap Edition
Posted on 8/14/18 at 7:20 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 8/14/18 at 7:20 pm to TideWarrior
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No I asked if you knew since, you seem to stay updated, on how many EEs we could sign in this class.
I could care less about some NCAA rule. I completely understand EEs, initial counters, and transfers all depend on the 85 cap. Hence the one discussion we had on here before and I stated that J Parks situation to gray shirt had nothing to do with initial counters but the 85 hard cap. I also understand how EEs work in regards to back counting as an initial counter to a prior year class or counting towards the incoming class. As I also know there are times when it is not a simple as the rules you continue to reference.
But to my question it had nothing to do with the rules. It was a simple question do you know, and apparently not by given responses, how many can we bring in as EEs. Maybe when you joined this site 2 years ago you were unfamiliar about articles, reports, and information from insiders about the number of EEs. In the past and with multiple classes we have players that have wanted to EE but could not due to limitations on the roster(yes the 85). But we also had reports and people in the know that had the number we could EE whether there back counted or added to future class.
So my question is does anyone like maybe Boz know the magic number? In the past info would come out on how many spots would open up in January either due to players graduating, using up eligibility, transferring, or leaving for the pros. I raised the question regarding Diabate who seems could fill a need but is scheduled to be an EE but looking to go elsewhere. As we have top targets(probably ahead of Diabate) like Sanders, Hill, Webb, Thib, Dean, and a few others who are also scheduled to be EEs. If taking Diabate would prevent one of them from being an EE and not coming here may be the reason we are not pushing hard fro a player like Diabate.
I don't think that stuff matters unless we're wanting to backcount EEs. We have no unused 2018-19 academic year signee and initial counter spots to backcount EEs into. I think we can bring in ALL 25 of our 2019 class signees as EEs (IF they've graduated from HS and are academically qualified), but none of them can be backcounted. We just have to be able to fit them under the 85 limit by next fall.
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 7:50 pm to TidalSurge1
You can only have 85 on scholarship at any given time unless you are telling me the NCAA will now allow a program to have 110 on scholarship in the spring. Using your example here. 
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:05 pm to TideWarrior
I didn't the think the 85 cap matters in spring and summer, but maybe you're right that it does. I'll try to find out for sure.
ETA: We have 83 scholarship players now. So, if you're right that we can't exceed 85 at any time, then how many EEs we can take would depend on how many we have on scholarship after Dec graduations and any other form of departures such as dismissals or transfers by Jan.
ETA: We have 83 scholarship players now. So, if you're right that we can't exceed 85 at any time, then how many EEs we can take would depend on how many we have on scholarship after Dec graduations and any other form of departures such as dismissals or transfers by Jan.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:12 pm to T Rich3
Damn, one top 50 guy out of 21, sheesh
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:13 pm to TidalSurge1
Surge let me start by saying I was originally not trying to take a dig at you but was asking. I am pretty sure the 85 is hard even in the spring unless(IIRC) they do not participate in spring varsity activities.
But as one of your other post mentioned regarding midyear replacements is what I was getting at. Usually the staff has a number they know are graduating, used up eligibility, and during the winter break can add to that list players going pro, becoming ineligible, or just being processed. In the past we always seem to get info and probably just to early in the year to know but in the past it would be talked about as it determined how many we could bring in.
Example lets say we have 5 seniors graduating in December, 2 players transferring, and 1 getting processed then we knew going into January we could replace(bring in EE's) 8 counters against the 85.
But as one of your other post mentioned regarding midyear replacements is what I was getting at. Usually the staff has a number they know are graduating, used up eligibility, and during the winter break can add to that list players going pro, becoming ineligible, or just being processed. In the past we always seem to get info and probably just to early in the year to know but in the past it would be talked about as it determined how many we could bring in.
Example lets say we have 5 seniors graduating in December, 2 players transferring, and 1 getting processed then we knew going into January we could replace(bring in EE's) 8 counters against the 85.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:19 pm to TideWarrior
So the better question should have been this early in the year (4 months from winter break) if we are limited to the number of EEs we can bring in due to the 85 cap and the number of returning players, who gets the priority of those EE spots. Hence may explain to the those that worry about the class why some recruits like a Diabate are not being recruited as hard or seem to not be pushed for a commitment?
I assume that players like Sanders, Dean, Webb, Hill, and Thib get priority.
I assume that players like Sanders, Dean, Webb, Hill, and Thib get priority.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:22 pm to TideWarrior
Gotcha. No I haven't tried to come up with a count. However, there's a link in the 1st post of this thread to our roster breakdown that I do keep current. I suppose we can peruse it and try to get a rough idea, because it does show who has redshirted, but it doesn't accurately indicate who's on track to graduate in December.
There's also some uncertainty of which recruits are aiming to be EEs. I think it's too early to accurately project our January scholarships count and how many EE signees we'll have. However, Bama's staff may be trying to project that stuff this early. But I sort of vaguely recall Saban saying they don't put much consideration into whether someone's an EE or not. They mainly just aim to get the guys they like best at the positions they're filling in the class.
In other words, I tend to think Diabate being an EE isn't a big factor in whether Bama wants his commitment at this point. I think it's more that other LB targets (Dean, Thibs, To'oto'o and Bogle) appear to be higher on the staff's board.
ETA:
I really wasn't trying to be an arse toward you. I admit I did poke at you a little, but it was tongue in cheek. Obviously it didn't seem that way to you. I've always felt that you're a good and knowlegeable fan and poster, and thought you knew that's how I felt.
ETA: I took a quick look at the roster breakdown and see about 11 guys who could be graduating in December and/or leaving for the NFL. I think we'll be able to fit EEs in fine. But fitting 25 new guys in by summer might be tough.
There's also some uncertainty of which recruits are aiming to be EEs. I think it's too early to accurately project our January scholarships count and how many EE signees we'll have. However, Bama's staff may be trying to project that stuff this early. But I sort of vaguely recall Saban saying they don't put much consideration into whether someone's an EE or not. They mainly just aim to get the guys they like best at the positions they're filling in the class.
In other words, I tend to think Diabate being an EE isn't a big factor in whether Bama wants his commitment at this point. I think it's more that other LB targets (Dean, Thibs, To'oto'o and Bogle) appear to be higher on the staff's board.
ETA:
I really wasn't trying to be an arse toward you. I admit I did poke at you a little, but it was tongue in cheek. Obviously it didn't seem that way to you. I've always felt that you're a good and knowlegeable fan and poster, and thought you knew that's how I felt. ETA: I took a quick look at the roster breakdown and see about 11 guys who could be graduating in December and/or leaving for the NFL. I think we'll be able to fit EEs in fine. But fitting 25 new guys in by summer might be tough.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:47 pm to seanpendleton10
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seanpendleton10
Damn, 5 out of the last 8 National Championships, sheesh
Edit: Can we ban this troll Salsa?
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:01 pm to Cobrasize
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It's one of the stranger melts that I've seen.
I don't think people are melting. But none of them are excited to have to face Nix for the next 4 years. He's smooth, he's polished, he's accurate, and as far as being college ready, he's head and shoulders above Lia and Tyson at this point. (Bring the downvotes, but the kid has been a QB since he was old enough to walk, and Lia was a center until three years ago)
That's not melting, it's just facts. Any normal person would rather see a guy like that go somewhere that they don't have to face him every year.
Funny thing is, I think Gus might end up wasting him. He prefers a Nick Marshall type guy. It probably would have been in Nix's best interest to go somewhere that was more pro-style friendly, but he's bled orange and blue since the day he was born.
Nobody's losing sleep over it. Personally, I'm more concerned that we get a rock solid OL to protect our future 5'10" QB.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:12 pm to Evolved Simian
No. It’s a melt. A weird one, but still a melt. Where were these concerns about the respective QB commits months ago?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:24 pm to Evolved Simian
There are college coaches- many of them - that would completely disagree with you about Taulia vs. Nix. Vehemently. Qb evaluating is extremely difficult and volatile. But I would be shocked if Taulia isn't BIG TIME in college. And sooner rather than later.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:25 pm to Evolved Simian
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I can’t really get upset about a legacy. Had we started recruiting him in first grade he was still going to AU.
I get the melt over Pickens a bit more but WR is probably the least of our worries (along with OL) relative to recruiting. I guess we’re more upset about him going to AU than us actually needing him and I get that - but that’s a tough way to live your life (e.g., focusing on what others are getting as opposed to what you’re getting).
Last year wasn’t the best class in the country but it wasn’t shite (top 5 when all was said and done). Pre-Saban we would thrown a party about that type class.
This year looks like it’s going to be more of what we’ve become accustomed to under Saban. I’d just enjoy it (not worry about others) because this amazing run won’t last forever and will probably go down as the best the sport will ever see. We’re all very lucky.
Also, Rivals knows its already lost out to 247 and is desperately attempting to sway the Bama fatigue crowd to purchase an inferior product. I don’t blame them. Probably the business model I would attempt at this point too.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:57 pm to TidalSurge1
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:01 pm to TideSaint
Of all the gifs that get posted here, that one is the strangest.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:01 pm to TideSaint
I didn't know you had rabbits and chickens.This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:10 pm to TidalSurge1
Those are Alahunter's chickens.
I miss that dude
I miss that dude
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:13 pm to Cobrasize
It's the Chicken Police.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:17 pm to TideSaint
Yard mods.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:20 pm to TideSaint
I think all of hunter's chickens got eaten by Hawks If he would have had any that tough, they might still be alive
If he would have had any that tough, they might still be alivePosted on 8/14/18 at 10:37 pm to Bama3714
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There are college coaches- many of them - that would completely disagree with you about Taulia vs. Nix. Vehemently.
No need to get angry here. We are all homers, but I don't think that's the case. One is college ready at 17, and one still needs more development. There's nothing wrong with that.
Nix isn't Trevor Lawrence (That guy looks like he might be a generational talent, and soon), but he's very good.
I will always place Bama first, but I'm not going to buy into the delusions that all of our guys are always better than everyone else's just because they are ours. That's simply not the case.
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I would be shocked if Taulia isn't BIG TIME in college. And sooner rather than later.
I certainly hope so, but he's not there yet.
FWIW, I've seen Nix and Tyson live. I'm going to try to see all three of them this fall, just because I enjoy football, and I live less than 5 miles from the home fields of two of them.
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