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re: Class of 2019 Recruiting MEGATHREAD: That's a Wrap Edition
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:17 pm to RammerJammer91
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:17 pm to RammerJammer91
I think Bama will be just fine with the transfer rules changes. We might lose 2-3 guys with degrees who don't expect to get much playing time at Bama, but it's not a big deal. We'll have talented undergrads who'll get their playing time instead. We need some attrition every year anyway to squeeze our recruiting class in under the 85 limit.
I initially thought the rules changes might cause a significant increase in Bama losing some really good players that could end up playing against us and also weaken our depth. The more I've thought about it the less I expect that to happen. Most good programs aren't going to be taking a lot of grad transfers. It'll mainly still be programs in rebuild mode like Tennessee is right now or teams filling a hole here and there. We'll still reload every year and beat them like a drum.
Credit to Carlton who's said all along that the transfer rules changes probably aren't going to have a significant impact. I think he's right.
I initially thought the rules changes might cause a significant increase in Bama losing some really good players that could end up playing against us and also weaken our depth. The more I've thought about it the less I expect that to happen. Most good programs aren't going to be taking a lot of grad transfers. It'll mainly still be programs in rebuild mode like Tennessee is right now or teams filling a hole here and there. We'll still reload every year and beat them like a drum.
Credit to Carlton who's said all along that the transfer rules changes probably aren't going to have a significant impact. I think he's right.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:23 pm to TidalSurge1
No, I do not approve of you moving closer to my position on this issue. I need as many people as possible to unleash multi-paragraph diatribes on the subject. 
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:28 pm to Carlton
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:33 pm to TidalSurge1
Saban is going to go get the best guys out there, period. Some years that may mean a grad transfer or two, other years none. But I’m sure he isn’t going to sit back and let our rivals poach our guys and not send some shots over the bow. You guys know Saban better than that.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:57 pm to tider04
Imagine needing a CB, and Saban pulls in an All American starter from one school, who for 2-3 years, has seen his team end up in the Massengil Douche Gator bowl, while watching Bama play for titles. Think maybe one might graduate and call him to see if maybe, in his last year, he might get one of those rings.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:59 pm to T Rich3
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Byron Young thinks Trey Sanders will be our next commit
Curious where you saw that nugget. I didn't see it on his twitter or on BOL.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:11 pm to TidalSurge1
I think 3714 and Surge are probably both right relative to the grad transfers. That is, I think Saban will be extremely aggressive but I think it will also be very targeted - one to maybe two players a year.
While they count against the initial 25 he’s shown he’s still willing to take them on occasion (took the ECU QB who was never going to play short of an injury). Also something to keep in mind is that despite it counting against the 25, we may have more difficulties with the team 85 moreso than the 25 a year with the new redshirt rule.
Rule should be (and I could see this change) that a grad transfer doesn’t count against your 25 IF you lose a grad transfer (they should offset).
While they count against the initial 25 he’s shown he’s still willing to take them on occasion (took the ECU QB who was never going to play short of an injury). Also something to keep in mind is that despite it counting against the 25, we may have more difficulties with the team 85 moreso than the 25 a year with the new redshirt rule.
Rule should be (and I could see this change) that a grad transfer doesn’t count against your 25 IF you lose a grad transfer (they should offset).
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:24 pm to TidalSurge1
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Curious where you saw that nugget. I didn't see it on his twitter or on BOL.
It is on his Twitter as a reply:
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:20 am to Garfield
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I think 3714 and Surge are probably both right relative to the grad transfers. That is, I think Saban will be extremely aggressive but I think it will also be very targeted - one to maybe two players a year.
While they count against the initial 25 he’s shown he’s still willing to take them on occasion (took the ECU QB who was never going to play short of an injury). Also something to keep in mind is that despite it counting against the 25, we may have more difficulties with the team 85 moreso than the 25 a year with the new redshirt rule.
Rule should be (and I could see this change) that a grad transfer doesn’t count against your 25 IF you lose a grad transfer (they should offset).
To be fair, taking the ECU grad transfer QB was to fill a hole. That said, I do agree that we might be able to cherry pick a very talented grad transfer when we have a need to add one to fill a hole.
The redshirt rule change may result in there being more players with degrees who have eligibility left.
There's also a new rule allowing nonrenewal of scholarships for players who give notice of intent to transfer and go on the NCAA's transferees registry. So, players who put themselves out there on the transfer market and don't get picked up may find themselves on the job market.
Idk if a rule proposal to to allow grad transfer replacements without costing initial counter spots will get much traction, due to concerns it might lead to a domino effect upsurge in grad transfers. It might for situations such as a head coach departure, where a school might lose a lot of grad transfers, especially since that school's recruiting class will likely have major losses too.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 6:52 am
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:50 am to TidalSurge1
I just don't see the new grad transfer rule ever benefitting us. Other SEC teams will be happy to take our second string guys, but we will only be willing to accept their quality starters. Those kind of players aren't really candidates to transfer, and they tend to go pro early anyway.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:14 am to Robot Santa
I doubt Bama or any SEC team benefits or suffers substantially due to the transfer rule changes. Maybe teams in rebuild mode (like Tennessee is right now) will benefit the most. The weaker SEC teams may pick up a couple of reserve grad transfer players fairly regularly that will help them fix a couple of weak spots and improve some. I doubt it enables them to challenge us much more, but it might help our strength of schedule some.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 7:54 am
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:41 am to TidalSurge1
....or they could lose the most. A big time player who doesn't want to stick around for "another" rebuilding year could jump, and that would hurt a team with less talent/depth than the stronger teams....just a thought.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 7:42 am to coachcrisp
Good point. For example, Tennessee had a few guys jump ship to the NFL that might've stayed another year if they weren't so down and in rebuild mode, but I don't think any transfered out. Kirkland, a good UT LB who's been hampered by injuries almost did, but Pruitt talked him into staying. With the relaxed grad transfer rules I think that might happen a little bit more often in those kinds of situations, but probably not a lot.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:00 am to TidalSurge1
If the kid has put in the work to graduate he should have that choice. No differently then the coaches who ask players at times to commit to them and not the university.. then up and ]leave when they get a better offer or opportunity.
I don't even believe it will negatively effect us.
If anything it will help in recruiting because kids will see our depth chart and most likely the ones that leave wouldn't have more of an impact then the kids we will pull in.
I don't even believe it will negatively effect us.
If anything it will help in recruiting because kids will see our depth chart and most likely the ones that leave wouldn't have more of an impact then the kids we will pull in.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:29 am to Carlton
Upvotes all around.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:33 am to We_R_The_Tide
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Imagine needing a CB, and Saban pulls in an All American starter from one school, who for 2-3 years, has seen his team end up in the Massengil Douche Gator Bowl, while watching Bama play for titles. Think maybe one might graduate and call him to see if maybe, in his last year, he might get one of those rings.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:45 am to TidalSurge1
Why do people ask this kids who will commit next? As if they would answer..
If they did, it would be huge a dick move because they had their moment, so they should allow others to have theirs as well.
If they did, it would be huge a dick move because they had their moment, so they should allow others to have theirs as well.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:48 am to YStar
As mentioned with the ECU QB we will use the rule to help fill holes. If we lack in depth due to some unforeseen attrition it becomes another option in addition to grabbing a JUCO.
It also may help us more then hurt us if we have a player not happy. In the past when over signing was such an issue and the OSU fan that created the site made Saban the poster child for oversigning everyone seemed to have an issue when we processed a non-contributor. Now the player has options.
It also may help us more then hurt us if we have a player not happy. In the past when over signing was such an issue and the OSU fan that created the site made Saban the poster child for oversigning everyone seemed to have an issue when we processed a non-contributor. Now the player has options.
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