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CFB Nerds Breakdown of some of the Offensive Issues - TL/DR Bryce missed some stuff

Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:38 pm
Read the entire thread - CFB Nerds


I don't agree on all of these - some are clearly "looks easy on a screenshot" throws that are either across his body or plays where a defender looks out of position but there is a good chance they weren't 1.5 seconds earlier before Bryce made a movement to throw/move. But some are clearly just misses by Bryce that would have been huge plays.....and if you don't make a team that is blitzing consistently pay for them by exposing the holes....you are going to be in deep shite.

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We decided to do a rare thing and break down what happened with Alabama. Surprisingly, it seems to be more about not trusting WRs than issues with the OL. Here's a series of missed opportunities, starting with a 3rd and 14 sack where Young had an immediate throw to #8 in the slot





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Two drives later (this ends with their wildcat failure), Young has a probably TD here to Williams, who is really quite open in the seam. This ball is thrown uncatchably high and inside.







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Young scrambles on this play for a first down, but look at the two WRs near the logo. That's Metchie and Williams crossing the safety's face with a LB underneath. This should be an automatic 20+ yards, but Young never sees it and is honed in on #19.





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Following a busted protection sack, Bama is in their own endzone. For some reason, Young almost immediately checks down to the RB. But at the middle of the field, that's Metchie crossing the MLB Clark. He's immediately coming open - you have to read the matchup and trust it there







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Alabama's 10th drive had a couple opportunities. First, a bad snap causes Young to flee the pocket and ground the ball. But you can see an Alabama WR already behind the defense. This is an easy pitch-and-catch TD if Bama gets any execution here.





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Following the mishap, Bama gets to a 3rd and short. Young has Metchie wide open over the middle, as LSU is continually walking up the LBs. But Young hesitates, and decides to run. That's the worst decision possible, because LSU collapses. This ball should be out for a 1st.


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:39 pm to
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Trigger warning - Alabama has 4 potential TDs on their last drive before going into clock-kill mode. Williams is coming wide open at the 30. You have time, and he's open - I'm not sure why Young holds it. Credit 18 for Bama for shaking 5 and giving them a 1st down anyway.





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This is a quick throw to Williams where he shakes a tackle and gets a first. But look to the right - LSU fires a corner blitz and leaves Metchie uncovered. If you don't make people pay (maybe in TDs in this case) for the blitz, you just invite more blitzes.





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Here's the intentional grounding screen call. Given that Williams is covered-up, and the TE #81 (who isn't) doesn't release, their intention has to be hitting #18 or #8 downfield. Here's the thing - #18 is wide open. Young doesn't trust the throw, but this could be a TD.






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And finally, the strip fumble snap. Young starts on the hash at the 46, but he drops so far back (10 yards) that his OTs can't defend the depth - he was fearing 53, but Bama's #4 cuts him well so no need. But look downfield, if Young arm punts this at the snap it's a touchdown.



This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:40 pm to
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Now this can be seen as piling on Bama's young quarterback, which isn't fair given that they did give up a lot of dumb pressures. But the point is, Bama had a chance to throw itself out of pressure and didn't. Bama must be far more decisive and trusting to take the next step.
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:45 pm to
If we're being honest those are NFL level reads and throws (NFL timing as well) being dismissed and described as if they are simple and easy misses.
Posted by Crimsonite94
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:46 pm to
People expect those out of Bryce because of Tua and Mac
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:50 pm to
Yea some of them are for sure.

Some of them should have been quick reads and ball out, which has been a bit of an issue all year. Finding the perfect option doesn't work when it's quick hitter or get blown up by a zero blitz. Bryce definitely had some quick throws available that he just didn't make for whatever reason.

We clearly didn't expect them to play old school Jo Lee Dunn on us, but once they did we had a few things called that exploited it. We just didn't make the plays.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:50 pm to
I think the pressure or at least the thought of it rattled him. He was pressured on 50% of his drop backs and LSU had eleven free rushes (defenders came in unblocked). And Alabama needed to score.

One of the praises about him was his ability to calm his nerves. It was particularly impressive because he was a young QB. This was a game when he couldn’t do it and it resulted in these misses.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 12:53 pm to
Agree. And the line was bad, no doubt, but when the defense brings 7 guys there is no protection that will allow you to hold the ball for more than 2-3 seconds. You have to know where the release is and throw it over a blitzers head. And, credit to them, LSU threw some wrinkles in there with DL dropping and rotating into passing lanes that I think made Bryce think twice before releasing on a few of those.

He'll learn, he's still young. But we were 2-3 good reads and throws in the 1st half from totally frying their game plan and running away with things. But we didn't, and it kind of compounded.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted by BasedTide
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:03 pm to
This is interesting. Perhaps BY isn't playing as well as we're all giving him credit for.
Posted by YStar
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:06 pm to
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Some of them should have been quick reads and ball out, which has been a bit of an issue all year.


Yeah I would say I saw two or three that should have been a quick read which he should have made but didn't.

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but once they did we had a few things called that exploited it. We just didn't make the plays.


When out OC made adjustments in the second quarter running quick hits inside the tackles and stretching the ball sideways to slow that vertical rush down... he forgets these adjustments by halftime and reverts to dropping back so our QB can either produce magic or get tee'd off on.

BOB is not even semi-competent
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:07 pm to
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BasedTide


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Perhaps BY isn't playing as well as we're all giving him credit for.



Dudeeeee
Posted by Crede15
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:09 pm to
Some of those are more convincing than others, but I couldn’t understand why we couldn’t make them play for all the blitzing. My first thought was the play calling, but it does ring at least a bit true.

The last picture especially doesn’t look great; I know the blitz is coming quick, but it you’ve got literally no safety high and two seam-type routes then you’ve got to anticipate it and make the throw. Even if the picture was taken a split-second late, it does seem like the read would have still been there.

However, it’s still a little iffy. We don’t even know for sure what the route tree was on some of them. And some of the other issues have already been mentioned.

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:09 pm to
We definitely have a few passing game issues, but man, I can't get over how bad we were running the ball.

Of course, the constant blitzing makes running the ball hard, so hitting some of these misses in the passing game would have helped with the running game.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted by RollTide33
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:13 pm to
He's an alter. What do you expect?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:14 pm to
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Some of those are more convincing than others, but I couldn’t understand why we couldn’t make them play for all the blitzing. My first thought was the play calling, but it does ring at least a bit true.

The last picture especially doesn’t look great; I know the blitz is coming quick, but it you’ve got literally no safety high and two seam-type routes then you’ve got to anticipate it and make the throw. Even if the picture was taken a split-second late, it does seem like the read would have still been there.

However, it’s still a little iffy. We don’t even know for sure what the route tree was on some of them. And some of the other issues have already been mentioned.



Yep - 100% agree. Some of these are very "look this guy is open" and not taking into account the fact that he's already begun his throwing motion and defenders are reacting to that. Of course the other guy is open. Or, the idea that he should throw it 30 yards down field across his body with a safety late but not very far out of position. Again, that's not a gimmee throw.

However, there are definitely 2-3 that look to be pretty clear pressure release routes or mismatch routes due to the blitzes that we did not take advantage of. We just didn't make them pay for blitzing at all the entire night. Even Jameson's long TD was really just a good route and catch, not really beating the blitz so much.

It's just wild how little we were able to do against a very wild, crazy and super risky defensive approach for 4 quarters. It takes a super collapse at all levels (coaching, QB vision, line play) to pull that off.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:15 pm to
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I can't get over how bad we were running the ball.

Of course, the constant blitzing makes running the ball hard


I get the run game a lot more than the pass game. We had a few run plays where guys up front got whipped, but most of them were just there are like 7 of them and 4 or 5 of us. If you give 2 super athletic guys (which LSU still has) a free run, your odds of making a play aren't very good.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:16 pm to
Also, do we have screen plays? Do those exist in our arsenal? I know we have SWING plays, but do we have SCREENS?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:23 pm to
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Also, do we have screen plays? Do those exist in our arsenal?

We threw a WR screen on third down that resulted in nothing meaningful.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:30 pm to
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We threw a WR screen on third down that resulted in nothing meaningful.


Should have clarified - classic screen plays. To backs, or even tight ends or WRs across the middle. Not quick throws wide. The ones that take advantage of an overaggressive front 7.
Posted by UASports23
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Posted on 11/8/21 at 1:34 pm to
The offense across the board didn't execute well across the board.


I blame everyone. Including Canada (thanks Metchie)
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