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re: Blake Sims holding tough.

Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:05 am to
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:05 am to
One thing I'll never understand about Bama forums is the distinct lack of understanding of the concept of player development. It's like 90% of you guys think that what you got from a player 2 years ago is what you get now. Why do we even have coaches then? Why practice if no one ever improves? It's asinine logic, or lack thereof.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:11 am to
I didn't say he hasn't developed. I said I hope he has gotten better but that performance worries me. Mainly because CNS had stated that BS had had a really good spring and good scrimmages prior to that game. But when he had the eyes of the world on him, it was a different story. It was a similar story this past spring but not as bad. Maybe he just happened to have 2 bad days and it's not an indication of how he handles the spotlight. I don't know. But it's not something I can just completely discount because I want him to be a success.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:20 am to
Fair point, but upon repeated viewings, I don't think he had a bad A day. Sure, he pressed a bit. But his accuracy was much improved and much better than on first watch. Also,his skillset was put in a box for practice purposes. I think there's much more to an unleashed Blake Sims.

Playing devils advocate to my own argument, it must be said that Coker will not have a freshman learning curve, having spent so much time at FSU. He will should pick up the O quicker than normal. But will it be fast enough, will he actually make better decisions than the guy who's been in the system much longer, and is he definitively more accurate? Sure, him throwing is prettier, but that means less than nothing.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 10:22 am
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:26 am to
It's everyone's first year with this OC though the system will be the same which should be an advantage for BS, Morris, and Bateman over Coker. Need to go back and re-watch A-Day but lost the recording when I had to get a new cable box
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:42 am to
Posted by sarc
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4939 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:03 am to
Great post, I agree.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:12 am to
quote:

The first thing I want to see against WVU out of Sims is comfort in the pocket. Even with no pressure, he's always looked so uncomfortable and unsure of what to do in the pocket and as a passer.


True, but just about every QB with little game experience struggles with this.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:13 am to
quote:

True, but just about every QB with little game experience struggles with this.



Yep.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4939 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:15 am to
I just feel like people forget how AJ made questionable decisions when he was a backup and seem to automatically assume that Sims couldn't have made the same strides that he did. Then they point to A Day which (as mentioned) is the worst possible indicator given the limited playbook and special rules. Prior to A Day, the stats from the private scrimmages reflected well on Sims' and his development.

Also, not calling anyone out, but the excuses people make for Coker ("give him a break-- he's used to throwing to 6' 5" receivers!") are received without a second thought while BS NEVER gets the benefit of the doubt. I want the best guy to win, but I am rooting for that guy to be Sims.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:27 am to
For the record, I called BS on the tall WR excuse for Coker in another thread
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:31 am to
Sims had the opportunity to be the man all summer, I know Coker was present, and that can do wonders.

I go back and forth on my thoughts about who will play pretty frequently.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:39 am to
quote:

For the record, I called BS on the tall WR excuse for Coker in another thread



I always was under the impression that we were all just messing around with the tall WR thing. He was throwing it high because it was the first day. As Saban said, he still sees some apprehension. Anyone would come into that situation a little apprehensive.

As for the QB battle. I think Sims starts game 1, and I think it could stretch over multiple games. It needs to be resolved by the time SEC play starts. I don't care who wins, and I'm not rooting for anyone. I just want the guy who gives Bama the best chance to win. If it's a draw, it is my personal opinion that Coker is given the job in a draw. My reasoning may be flawed, but in the event of a draw I think you give it to the guy who has more upside and could return next season, so the experience would help your program in the long run.

I think Sims is a well liked player among fans and players, as is Coker. I think it is no coincidence that Coker was placed in the same room with our starting Center. I also think that Coker was brought in to win the job. Doesn't mean he will, but I think he was brought in to win it. He still has to earn it, and Sims isn't going to make it easy on him.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Put bluntly, I think there's a greater than 50% chance that Blake Sims will give Bama the best chance to win for the duration of 2014-2015 - based on what we know. I just wish Bama fans would potentially give the idea a chance, as we could be really, really explosive if Sims can deliver the rock with accuracy. Really explosive. Methodical, chain-movingly explosive.

I tend to agree. But Coker wasn't brought in to ride the pine. I have a bad feeling that he had the job before he ever got to Tuscaloosa, and we'll go with him until he majorly shits the bed.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Playing devils advocate to my own argument, it must be said that Coker will not have a freshman learning curve, having spent so much time at FSU. He will should pick up the O quicker than normal. But will it be fast enough


Despite what Saban or Coker will say, I'm willing to bet Coker has had a playbook ever since it was certain that he was coming here.

quote:

will he actually make better decisions than the guy who's been in the system much longer


This will be key. The guy who has the most big plays won't win the job. The guy who makes the better decisions will win the job. Not throwing picks, taking the short throw when you have to, throwing the ball away if it's the only play, etc.

quote:

is he definitively more accurate?


We won't know until we see them both throw at least 25 passes in a real game, imo. Obviously not in the same game, but I imagine this battle will last at LEAST 2 games, unless one shits the bed against WVU.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 12:21 pm to
I like this post. I'm still not sold on Sims personally, but you give some great analysis of why my personal perceptions could be flawed.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

As for the QB battle. I think Sims starts game 1, and I think it could stretch over multiple games


Yeah it'll be like the 2011 season where McCarron and Phillip Sims split snaps the first couple of games. It was pretty apparent after the first couple of games McCarron was the better option then, and I suspect it'll work itself out this year as well.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:50 pm to
Regarding Coker not being brought here to ride the pine:

I agree, but I fully believe that it took much longer than our staff had hoped for him to actually get to campus. I don't at all think anyone originally thought/expected when he was initially pursued that May would be his arrival time.

Couple with that Sims' progession as a leader, and his working with QB coaches and dramatically improving his mechanics, and we have to admit that our reality at Bama is universes different from what we thought before spring. Just my humble opinion.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4939 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:39 pm to
I went back and looked up passing stats from the private scrimmages in the Spring. There aren't any interceptions listed. Not sure if there weren't any or if they choose not to report... There were PBU's and FF's listed so my guess would be no INT's.

quote:

PASSING
Blake Sims
First scrimmage: 16 for 23, 227 yards, 2 TD
Second scrimmage: 24 for 39, 288 yards, 3 TD

LINK
Looking forward to the numbers from the coming scrimmage this Saturday.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:41 pm to
More than anything, the attempt and INT numbers (if given) will be what I wanna see.

I can already see people freaking out if either Sims or Coker throw multiple INTs.
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