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re: Best analysis I've heard yet, and will spoon feed those struggling to understand QB Issues
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:24 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:24 pm to TideWarrior
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You can say that Milroe held onto the ball too long, but most of those sacks were dude to a defender running completely free directly to the quarterback.
Yep.
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:24 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Why are we blaming the entire team again?
Because Michigan outschemed us???? Michigan had 3 players rush from one side. Bama was totally unprepared for this. It's like no film was watched. Michigan rushing the passer and we send the rb out?
Our d coordinator couldn't make necessary changes until half? These were the same plays Michigan ran the entire year. They did what they do. Was there no plan?
Why should we not be blaming the coaches?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:41 pm to BFANLC
Curious on a stat I would like to see tht would be telling. Anyone know where I could find YAC stats?
One of the things that bothered me about Milroe even in the long ball is his inability to hit WRs in stride. Even when he completed short or medium throws. One of the things that helped other QBs in our system was being able to hit WRs in stride and rack up the yards after catch.
Maybe one of the issues with our WR numbers this year had a lot to do with that. It seemed WRs had to adjust a lot this year to catch a Milroe ball.
Yards after catch has allows been a big staple fr ur offense I am curious what it was this year.
One of the things that bothered me about Milroe even in the long ball is his inability to hit WRs in stride. Even when he completed short or medium throws. One of the things that helped other QBs in our system was being able to hit WRs in stride and rack up the yards after catch.
Maybe one of the issues with our WR numbers this year had a lot to do with that. It seemed WRs had to adjust a lot this year to catch a Milroe ball.
Yards after catch has allows been a big staple fr ur offense I am curious what it was this year.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:50 pm to TideWarrior
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I only remember one sack in the playoff out of 6 where the defender ran free at him. Even that one he ran 10+ yards in a straight line to get to him and Milroe still could not see it coming. I will give him a break on a few where the pocket collapsed quickly on him but it is like the one I mentioned or where he takes a 10+ yard loss because he does not know how to scramble. Especially with his supposed speed and athletic ability.
let me refresh your memory
Proctor gets schooled 1 on 1
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Proctor gets schooled again, Milroe steps up, but pocket collapses
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Milroe needs to get the ball out fast to one of 2 of the underneath guys right here. Its 3rd and long, and our best chance of getting past the sticks is getting the ball out fast to the guys with room in front of them so they can possibly make a play. As has been said, he looks for the big play too much and doesn't use his check downs enough. The greatest QBs in NFL history were masters at this, and this needs to be drilled into his head.
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left guard for whatever reason just completely ignores the blitzing linebacker and lets him run free at Milroe. No chance for anything.
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2 defenders rush the weak side, RT doesn't know who to block, blocks neither. No chance of anything.
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99 blows up the pocket, Milroe does a great job getting out of there to run for a first down
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edge rushers are almost untouched, Milroe steps up but pocket is collapsing. Probably should have got it out to the underneath man, but gets rattled by the collapsing pocket.
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This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:56 pm to CrimsonFever
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You can say that Milroe held onto the ball too long, but most of those sacks were dude to a defender running completely free directly to the quarterback.
Holy shite... if a defender comes completely free then you know the pre snap protections were not made correctly.
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Yep.
You know the least about football than anyone on the site so stop chiming in with any "yeps" or "uhh, huhhhs"
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:07 pm to PowHound
So what does the team do moving forward? Will the OLine be better? Will Rees be better after another year? Milroe will be our starter next year, there is no way I see Saban sitting him, at least to start the year.
Even with all of the struggles we beat every SEC team we played and lost to two playoff teams. I know the offense didn't win us all of those games, maybe LSU, but their defense sucked. Tell me how we get better, ya'll got me thinking we are gonna suck arse with Milroe and not even make a 12 team playoff.
Even with all of the struggles we beat every SEC team we played and lost to two playoff teams. I know the offense didn't win us all of those games, maybe LSU, but their defense sucked. Tell me how we get better, ya'll got me thinking we are gonna suck arse with Milroe and not even make a 12 team playoff.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:12 pm to Syd
Milroe learns to read a defense pre and post snap or nothing changes. He has to become instinctual and take off when needed and he has to be able to see the whole field and dump the ball off. That or the results are the same.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:21 pm to PowHound
I was agreeing with him he is right. I bet I know more about football than you and I don't have to start 5 threads a week about the same thing to try try to get my point across like some people.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:25 pm to WW
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. This is the truth.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:30 pm to CrimsonFever
You're a legend in your own mind.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:40 pm to CrimsonFever
Here are some of the sacks Milroe took to refresh some people memories. (Twitter links)
Two guys run around the RT with no resistance and sack Milroe.
He gets sacked here before his hot read has even made the cut in his route Rb hadnt turned around yet.
Literally no one open to pass to on this one, wrs hadnt turned around yet when he got sacked
Sacked before the hot read Justice Haynes even has a chance to turn around
The two sacks on the first drive where our Oline gets manhandled
Two guys run around the RT with no resistance and sack Milroe.
He gets sacked here before his hot read has even made the cut in his route Rb hadnt turned around yet.
Literally no one open to pass to on this one, wrs hadnt turned around yet when he got sacked
Sacked before the hot read Justice Haynes even has a chance to turn around
The two sacks on the first drive where our Oline gets manhandled
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:08 pm to CrimsonFever
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He gets sacked here before his hot read has even made the cut in his route Rb hadnt turned around yet.
The issue though how in the hell does he not see this defender. The defender is not lined up on the scrimmage line. The defender has to run 10 yards to reach Milroe basically running straight at him and Milroe has no clue he is coming until he gets hit.
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Literally no one open to pass to on this one, wrs hadnt turned around yet when he got sacked
Another example of no pocket pressure and lack of vision. He finally looks at the pressure one it is too late. That one he should have taken off as he had the speed to scramble.
These are great examples of his inability to scramble or what is going on. In each one the moment the ball is snapped he locks in the direction of his first option and everything else he is blind to.
If he can not change that he will not improve.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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left guard for whatever reason just completely ignores the blitzing linebacker and lets him run free at Milroe. No chance for anything.
Great link and shows what I am talking about. The LB blitzes and goes 11 yards to hit Milore almost directly at him with no obstructive view for Milroe but yet Milroe does not see him and take a huge loss on the sack.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:22 pm to CrimsonFever
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Two guys run around the RT with no resistance and sack Milroe.
5 is WIDE OPEN bottom of screen. Milroe never turns his head from primary receiver. Slot receiver also saw the blitz and leaked into the middle of the field wide open. Milroe never came off his first read, though.
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He gets sacked here before his hot read has even made the cut in his route Rb hadnt turned around yet
81 is running free. QB has to anticipate the rush and lay it out for the TE there.
The problem is Milroe doesn't seem to understand, and neither do you apparently, that the receiver doesn't have to be looking at the qb before the qb can throw the ball. That's not how this is supposed to work. On a pass play, every receiver is expecting the ball to be coming his way on every pass play when he turns to look back at the qb. Milroe won't throw until the receiver is already looking.
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Literally no one open to pass to on this one, wrs hadnt turned around yet when he got sacked
Again, 81 identifies the blitz and breaks his route off. Milroe should have thrown it to his outside shoulder. Easy pitch & catch.
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Sacked before the hot read Justice Haynes even has a chance to turn around
81 is wide open yet again. He's the hot. Not 22. Just lay it up, he turns around and there's nobody near him.
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e two sacks on the first drive where our Online gets manhandled
There isn't enough of each play to see what Milroe was supposed to do here. But the first drive you expect some confusion. BAMA hasn't played a down in almost a month. 2 sacks in the opening drive by Mich didn't win them the game.
Know what else I didn't see? One bad snap on those plays.
Also, Milroe had plenty of time to throw the ball away on both of the sacks on the last link. The first one definitely, the second one less so.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:56 pm to TideWarrior
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Great link and shows what I am talking about. The LB blitzes and goes 11 yards to hit Milore almost directly at him with no obstructive view for Milroe but yet Milroe does not see him and take a huge loss on the sack.
I am assuming that he trusts that his left guard at least tries and blocks that guy? It was a total bust by him.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:02 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
I guess we are just seeing two different things. If you watch those clips and put most of the fault on Milroe, then I don't really know what to say to that.
No one is blaming the Oline's pass blocking woes on bad snaps. Two entirely different things.
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Know what else I didn't see? One bad snap on those plays.
No one is blaming the Oline's pass blocking woes on bad snaps. Two entirely different things.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
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If you watch those clips and put most of the fault on Milroe, then I don't really know what to say to that.
I know, because you are bent on blaming the o-line come hell or high water. No matter what's on the videos you posted.
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No one is blaming the Oline's pass blocking woes on bad snaps. Two entirely different things.
It was just an observation. Milroe not being able to read the play wasn't because of the snaps, on those plays anyway.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:12 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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I know, because you are bent on blaming the o-line come hell or high water.
Because the o line sucked in pass pro
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No matter what's on the videos you posted.
The videos consist of the o line sucking.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:18 pm to BFANLC
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Why should we not be blaming the coaches?
Blame the coaches all you want. The scheme was good enough to win. It didn't get executed for shite, mostly by the QB.
Sending the RB out on a blitz is how you beat it, but Milroe can't throw a swing pass and almost never threw the ball to the motion. Again, I get using eye candy and all that stuff to determine the defensive call, but Michigan didn't disguise anything. They ran the same defense pretty much all game. Milroe didn't adjust to it at all. Except on the drive that BAMA went up 17-13 in the 4th. I do blame the coaches for not seeing how jacked the offensive line was on that drive. OC has to see that and let those dudes take over with the rushing attack. Except you have a qb that can't get under center.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Because the o line sucked in pass pro
And the qb doesn't know a hot route from a hot wing.
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