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Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:23 pm to YStar
Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:23 pm to YStar
Spread RPO. Every snap has a run and a pass called or automatic hots on run plays. The runs are generally zone meaning our guys don't have a numbered blocking assignment rather they block whoever is in a given part of the field. Passes have one or more option routes...receivers run routes based on the defensive alignment. Run vs pass is determined by "check with me" on essentially every snap, me being somebody on the sideline, whos tied into OB, who's reading the defense from the booth. As you can see, this is a lot of moving parts. And sophisticated. Everybody has to make reads and be on the same page. It's a lot to accomplish with guys who have 20-ish hours per week to prepare.
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 3:28 pm to Notorious1918
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 4:32 pm to Notorious1918
That is not Bill O'Brien's system, that is the system Nick Saban brought Kiffin to create then had others like Sarkisian add upon with their creativity.
Bill O'Brien had to learn the playbook himself and adjust to Saban's system and it's language.
So I will ask again, using the system Saban has built what has O'Brien system been?
Please answer..
Kiffin would gameplan to wear out teams by attacking the edges and outside east and west. Then he would attack the middle when opponents got fatigued.
Bill O'Brien had to learn the playbook himself and adjust to Saban's system and it's language.
So I will ask again, using the system Saban has built what has O'Brien system been?
Please answer..
Kiffin would gameplan to wear out teams by attacking the edges and outside east and west. Then he would attack the middle when opponents got fatigued.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 5:57 pm to YStar
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Bill O'Brien had to learn the playbook himself and adjust to Saban's system
You're correct, but don't confuse a system that's in place with the ability to dial-up effective plays within that system.
There are numerous examples of Sark running an "exploratory" formation, eyeing a weakness in real time, and then coming back to exploit that in a subsequent series.
Anecdotal on my part, but I don't feel like BOB adjusts outside of the pre-determined game plan, and his tendencies are off the charts — even a passive observer can reasonably guess what he's going to call, and when.
We continue to get in challenging situations on first and second down, which leads to Bryce playing hero-ball on third and long. We just can't rely on that every game.
Personally, I don't think it's the system, I think it's the play-caller.
(And BTW, I don't hate BOB, I just think he needs to seriously self-scout and loosen up on that sheet a bit as the game naturally evolves.)
Posted on 10/27/22 at 6:05 pm to paperwasp
Something else I'll add regarding both coordinators — I would venture to guess that in all or most of the games we've played, the opponent has done things that our coaches and players have likely never seen on film from that team, nor practiced against.
As frustrated as we get about the coaches, we really have the kitchen sink thrown at us every week, and it's got to be a bitch to take an entire opposing staff's best shot game-after-game.
As frustrated as we get about the coaches, we really have the kitchen sink thrown at us every week, and it's got to be a bitch to take an entire opposing staff's best shot game-after-game.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 6:30 pm to paperwasp
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we really have the kitchen sink thrown at us every week, and it's got to be a bitch to take an entire opposing staff's best shot game-after-game.
That's true. I remember before UT they kept talking about how this was their super bowl. Same with UTx, they brought in Patterson to work on that gameplan.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 6:32 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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None of these receivers would be starters on teams from the last 3-4 years
None
Wish we would have pressed for Jordan Addison over Burton.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 6:42 pm to YStar
I don't think it has to do with BoB's or Saban's system, just the play calling. Kiffen had a definate plays designed for our opponents, like you said. Sark designed plays to take advantage of defenses that seemed to rely most on creating favorable mismatches, then exploiting them.
BoB, honestly, I can't fathom what his plan is. If you go back and watch, I don't think anyone can. I don't think he comes into the game with a plan on how to attack the defense he will be facing. I think he throws shite at the wall to see what sticks. His saving grace has been that Bryce can make a lot of stuff stick. The offense also gets very predictable at times, especially when it doesn't work. It seems that if a play gets shut down, we are going to repeatedly come back to it expecting a different result. How many times this year have we seen the same WR screen go for a couple of yards, then go for no yards the next series, then lose yards the next series, until you're screening at the tv asking wtf we are doing running that play again.
BoB, honestly, I can't fathom what his plan is. If you go back and watch, I don't think anyone can. I don't think he comes into the game with a plan on how to attack the defense he will be facing. I think he throws shite at the wall to see what sticks. His saving grace has been that Bryce can make a lot of stuff stick. The offense also gets very predictable at times, especially when it doesn't work. It seems that if a play gets shut down, we are going to repeatedly come back to it expecting a different result. How many times this year have we seen the same WR screen go for a couple of yards, then go for no yards the next series, then lose yards the next series, until you're screening at the tv asking wtf we are doing running that play again.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:53 pm to paperwasp
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Personally, I don't think it's the system, I think it's the play-caller.
This was my point lol.
People are now trying to say it's our system but any tool is only as good as the user.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:55 pm to paperwasp
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Something else I'll add regarding both coordinators — I would venture to guess that in all or most of the games we've played, the opponent has done things that our coaches and players have likely never seen on film from that team, nor practiced against.
As frustrated as we get about the coaches, we really have the kitchen sink thrown at us every week, and it's got to be a bitch to take an entire opposing staff's best shot game-after-game.
What is odd to me is why haven't we thrown the kitchen sink at other teams?
Offensively to be specific.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:56 pm to YStar
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What is odd to me is why haven't we thrown the kitchen sink at other teams?
Offensively to be specific.
We're obviously waiting to unleash the full playbook against Georgia in the SEC Championship Game.
Posted on 10/27/22 at 7:58 pm to Remiden
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BoB, honestly, I can't fathom what his plan is. If you go back and watch, I don't think anyone can.
Yep, that is why I asked what was his plan or system.
Bill O'Brien has none.
We run random plays that don't compliment each other and don't have a purpose or reason building to a specific conclusion.
We don't show any creativity game to game to attack how an opponent sets up defensively.
It's just random predictable plays. I mean how easy does it get for opponent DC's when they pretty much know what downs we are running or passing and how we do both???
Posted on 10/27/22 at 8:51 pm to YStar
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People are now trying to say it's our system but any tool is only as good as the user.
It's hard to differentiate between the system and the okay calling. I agree that BOB is running the Bama system but calling shitty plays. Where I disagree is with the people who say we don't have the talent. We certainly don't have the extreme talent at WR that we had with Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle, but that's the greatest compilation of WRs ever. We currently have enough speedsters to take the top off the defense on every play. Bond and Prentice are both blazers.
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Posted on 10/27/22 at 9:14 pm to YStar
It's the same base RPO that Kiffin and Daboll and Sarkisian ran. But Bama didn't run all the 3 man bunch sets they run now. Our receivers weren't reading safeties trying to figure out what route to run. Our O line didn't have guys blocking at the 2nd level before we got the 1st level blocked. Tua didn't stare at the sideline for 30 seconds every down. Watch how decisively Jeudy runs routes vs Earle. Watch what Hurts did at the line of scrimmage compared to Bryce. We ran power with Henry and D Harris. This is what I can think of off the top of my head. None of this stuff is difficult to detect. Just watch a game from 3 years ago and watch a game from this season. These strategic differences are OB's influence. Again they're not necessarily bad influences. Just due to their complexity, everybody can't make it work.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 7:36 am to Notorious1918
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Where I disagree is with the people who say we don't have the talent
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all the 3 man bunch sets
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Tua didn't stare at the sideline for 30 seconds every down
Agree with all of this.
For some reason we've slowed the offense down tremendously, don't seem to be utilizing a ton of multiple formations, and aren't getting the ball distributed to players in space so that they can make plays.
At times it feels like we've abandoned those parts of Kiffin/Sark that were explosive and gone back to a Jim McElwain offense where Gibbs is our new Mark Ingram.
All of this being said, I think we're still in a great position talent-wise — we just need to get back to taking advantage of it, and stop relying so much on two guys to bail us out of poor situations.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 8:30 am to SECSolomonGrundy
I agree 100% we have talent.
The same guy who doesn't know how to use our playbook, get creative or adapt....
That same guy is wasting a Heisman QB, an NFL RB and doesn't even know how to get the most from a lesser talented WR pool but still talented group of young guys.
The same guy who doesn't know how to use our playbook, get creative or adapt....
That same guy is wasting a Heisman QB, an NFL RB and doesn't even know how to get the most from a lesser talented WR pool but still talented group of young guys.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 9:10 am to YStar
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an NFL RB
Jamarion Miller looks like the best back besides Gibbs. I'd love to see him get some work with the 1st team. That dude has got juice.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 9:22 am to paperwasp
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We continue to get in challenging situations on first and second down, which leads to Bryce playing hero-ball on third and long. We just can't rely on that every game.
My two cents worth: Seems we are extremely predictable. First down - run between the tackles and hope for the best, which results in second and 8 or 9.
Second down - crap shoot/hope for the best resulting in third and 6 or 8.
Third down - long developing pass in the face of the blitz with no apparent hot route available.
Fourth down - ineffective punt.
What I would like to see: a mix of play action on first down. Teams seem to keying on the run leading to second and long. Play action would take advantage of that tendency. More RPO on second down. Be more aware of teams deciding to pressure Bryce and maybe dial up an occasional screen pass, draw play, or utilize hot routes more effectively. It just seems that we have conceded any chance for chunk plays in favor of ball control offense and being willing to turn the game over to a Golding defense in an era off high powered offense. Seems a great waste of Heisman talent.
End of Rant.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 9:28 am to passthetylenol
have we had a good WR bubble pass this year? Seems whoever is blocking out there wiffs. 81 is the culprit on many of those plays. I am surprised he has not been replaced as a blocker for those plays.
Posted on 10/28/22 at 9:30 am to mrbroker
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have we had a good WR bubble pass this year?
Milroe to Earle vs Arkansas
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