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Bamafan18
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Sources: Holiday Hoopsgiving 2020 at State Farm Arena in Atlanta is extending its window from 12/10 to 12/17 in an effort to create a bubble. Games set for 12/12: LSU/South Florida Dayton/Mississippi State Alabama/Clemson Memphis/Auburn


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Chadaristic
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I love how he got a little bit pissed off at that last question and then proceeded to go on a mini advanced stats tutorial.


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Holiday Hoopsgiving confirmed on their twitter that they will be having it this season, they retweeted the post about the bubble, and they responded to a tweet where I asked is there any chance they’ll have fans at the event and they said “strong possibility...”


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They saying each team at Holiday Hoopsgiving Will now play 4 games. I’m guessing our non-conference will be Maui, Big12, and the 4 HH games

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Couple notes on this: - Fans expected for the Dec. 12 games - Bubble will include eight teams (unlikely to be all eight of these teams) playing four games each over six days - Omni Hotel (attached to arena) not open to general public that week
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Chadaristic
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They saying each team at Holiday Hoopsgiving Will now play 4 games. I’m guessing our non-conference will be Maui, Big12, and the 4 HH games


Without knowing any details about how the Maui tournament will be seeded, who we will play in the SEC/B12 Challenge or which four teams we would play during Holiday Hoopsgiving - our nonconference might look something like this:

Maui Tournament:

UNC
Stanford
Texas
Indiana
Providence
Davidson
UNLV

SEC/B12:

Unannounced B12 team

Holiday Hoopsgiving Bubble (if all eight teams reamin the same):

Already scheduled for Clemson

Assuming we wouldn't play any of the other SEC teams involved, some combo of:

Georgia Tech
Dayton
South Florida
Memphis
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I think HH is looking to add more teams into their bubble


Chadaristic
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This week in Dan McDonald’s series of ranking the best basketball jobs by conference, he takes a look at how the jobs in the SEC stack up. If every job in the conference were to open up today, how would he rank them in order of the most attractive to the top candidates?


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1. Kentucky:
I can’t imagine anyone will argue with this one. Winning tradition, fan support, resources, great facilities and the ability to recruit coast to coast because of the brand of Kentucky basketball. Not many schools get a home-court advantage with fans on the road in the majority of their conference games like Kentucky does. The one negative -- the expectation is to win the national championship every year, something UK has done just once in the last 21 years.

2. Florida:
Billy Donovan set the standard for what the Florida job can look like. National championships, Final Fours, Elite Eights, and dominance in the SEC. It’s in a state loaded with talent and Florida is one of the few schools in the SEC that can regularly attract players from outside the SEC footprint as well.

3. Tennessee
Every coach at Tennessee seems to win. Bruce Pearl had it rocking before NCAA issues took him down. Cuonzo Martin made it to an Elite Eight. And now Rick Barnes has the Vols at the top of the SEC regularly and recruiting top five classes. There aren’t many truly passionate basketball fan bases in the SEC, but the Vols have one of them as they pack Thompson-Boling Arena even in the down years like this past season.

4. Arkansas
Arkansas is probably the only school in the SEC outside of Kentucky where the fan base supports its basketball program more than the football program. There is a history of winning in Fayetteville that goes back to Nolan Richardson’s incredible run. It’s not in a state that pumps out as much talent as some of the other SEC states, but the ones that do come out of there tend to be pretty loyal to the Razorbacks. You can also go into Texas and get good players.

5. LSU:
Like Arkansas, players that come out of Louisiana, and there are some good ones regularly, tend to give the Tigers the first crack at winning them over. It’s also within striking distance of really good talent in Texas. The program has been to four Final Fours and gets pretty good fan support. From making calls around on this job, facilities came up as an issue. All in all, this is one of the better SEC jobs.

6. Alabama:
I’m probably higher on this job than others, but I really think it’s a very good job. The state puts out a pretty good amount of Rivals150 talent and those kids are very loyal to the Crimson Tide. You are within striking distance of metro Atlanta and a stone’s throw from good players in Florida. The brand of the football program can be tricky as it gets the “football school” label that other SEC schools also deal with, but it can also open up doors to certain prospects and makes for a great official visit weekend.

7. Missouri
Missouri is the toughest job to rank in the SEC. It’s a bit of misfit in the league as it feels like a Big 12 job with more natural rivals there. That being said, there is some winning tradition there, fan support and great facilities. You can go any direction from campus and attract some really good players.

8. Georgia
Along with Texas A&M, has the best in-state recruiting base in the SEC. The problem here is it’s always been really tough for the Bulldogs to consistently sign that talent as prospects from metro Atlanta aren’t as loyal to the in-state school as you see in other SEC states. Sustained success has been hard to come by, but it does feel like a job with a high ceiling

9. Auburn:
If Missouri was the toughest one to rank, Auburn comes right behind it. The question becomes how much of Auburn’s success in recent years is because of Bruce Pearl being a great coach and recruiter, and how much of it is Auburn becoming a better job in the past decade? The truth is probably somewhere in between. The Tigers get one of the best home-court advantages in the league in one of the best arenas. In recent years, Auburn has benefitted in a big way from recruiting in Georgia. Could a new coach come in today and sustain this success? It would be fascinating to watch that play out.

10. Texas A&M:
I could copy and paste almost verbatim what I mentioned about the Georgia job. Great in-state talent and resources, but success on a consistent basis has been elusive and it’s viewed as a “football school”. So why is it two spots lower than Georgia? Recruiting in Texas is really complicated. There are multiple major metro areas and a plethora of high major programs in the state trying to take ownership of the region. Buzz Williams is the kind of coach that could tap into that talent and make this ranking look silly in a few years.

11. South Carolina:
The Gamecocks have a great arena and campus, and a fan base and administration that supports the program. Outside of the run to the Final Four a few years back, success has been elusive. It’s not in a great state for producing talent, but on the flip side, they can be tough to beat for some of the top talent that comes out of there such as Sindarius Thornwell or P.J. Dozier.

12. Ole Miss:
Ole Miss has one of the best campuses in the SEC and now one of the best arenas in the league. It’s just not in a state that pumps out a ton of talent and the closest city that does, Memphis, can be a tough place to win big recruiting battles. There just isn’t a history of winning and not a ton of fan support.

13. Mississippi St:
It shares a lot of similarities with Ole Miss except the campus and town aren’t as nice and they don’t have the new arena. The Bulldogs do have a better history of winning and signing top players, though.

14. Vanderbilt:
Nashville is a great city. The academic reputation is by far the best in the league. You have a unique home-court advantage with the bench setup. In recent years though, the athletic department has had a ton of issues and the basketball program has struggled on the court. The profile of the program just isn’t the same right now to attract top talent, and you’re already recruiting from a smaller pool with the academic restrictions.


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Alabama men’s basketball coach Nate Oats said Friday he believes his team has the talent to compete for an SEC title in his second season at the helm.

“I think we’ll be much improved,” Oats said when asked about expectations Friday during a video news conference, his first since the spring. “Our depth is going to be a lot better. As far as expectations -- people ask where we’re going to finish and all that -- I don’t know all that.

"I think we should be competing for championships -- SEC championships, [SEC] tournament championship, making a run in the NCAA tournament. I think we’ve got the talent. There has to be a lot of stuff that comes together to do that. The chemistry has to be good. Obviously injuries play a part in the season. How guys perform -- everything looks great on paper, but you actually have to get out and perform a little bit too.

"We’ve got high expectations. We’re not going to shy away from them. I think we’ve got a really talented roster, a roster that fits how we want to play better.”

Alabama finished last season 16-15, earning the No. 9 seed in the SEC men’s basketball tournament before its second-round game against Tennessee was canceled because of COVID-19. In Oats' first season in Tuscaloosa, the Tide earned a signature win with an upset of No. 4 Auburn but also lost three of its last four games to stumble into the SEC tournament likely needing a sweep of Nashville to make the NCAA tournament.

Leading scorer Kira Lewis left for the NBA this offseason but Alabama adds the nation’s 12th-best recruiting class, according to 247 Sports, as well as graduate transfer center Jordan Bruner. The team will also have guard Jahvon Quinerly, a transfer last year from Villanova, eligible to play and will return two players, James Rojas and Juwan Gary, from ACL injuries that wiped out their 2019-20 seasons.

“Obviously the season is going to be a little bit different from a normal season, being that you’re going to have guys possibly out with COVID, this, that and the other,” Oats said. “I do think depth’s a bigger deal this year than it’s ever been in college basketball. We need depth last year and didn’t have it with all the injuries we had.”

Here are more notes from Oats' 30-minute meeting with reporters:

-- Even with the NCAA setting Nov. 25 its start date for the season, Oats said Alabama is still in a “holding pattern” about its non-conference schedule until the SEC makes decisions. He also did not yet know whether fans would be allowed in Coleman Coliseum for home games.

-- Oats said none of his players have needed to be quarantined or isolated because of COVID-19 for almost the past month. “Back initially [after practices resumed] when guys were getting contact tracing and all that, you were missing -- it’s hard to have a full team when guys are quarantined and isolated and this and that,” he said. “We’ve gotten past that. I think our guys have been pretty smart.” Oats said his players have done a good job “not going to the different parties and whatever to either get the COVID or get caught in a contact tracing type of deal,” and said he has his full roster minus injured players.

-- When Alabama began limited practices over the summer, Oats said COVID-19 regulations essentially limited the sessions to one player per basket. The rules have since loosened but coaches still wear masks and players are spread out during huddles. “It’s still basketball at the end of the day,” Oats said. “We’re getting after it and we’re playing and we’re practicing. When the ball goes and the drills are live, it’s all the same. It’s all the other stuff outside of it that’s different.” Full preseason practices can begin Oct. 14.

-- Oats said John Petty, who decided to return for his senior season, had NBA teams interested in drafting him and would have ended up on a two-way, minimum-salary contract. “His goal is to play his way into the first round and get a multi-year, guaranteed contract,” Oats said. Petty welcomed his second child, a son, on Monday, Oats said.

-- Oats said Bruner, the team’s top projected under-the-rim player, is “everything we thought he was going to be." The top returning bigger player from last season, Alex Reese, was recently cleared from offseason hip surgery and has been shooting well in practice.

-- Jahvon Quinerly is expected to play point guard but Oats noted that several other players could man that spot, including freshman Josh Primo, senior Herb Jones and sophomore Jaden Shackelford. On Shackelford, Oats said they’re playing him more at point guard even though it’s not his natural position. “[It’s] to help him become a better combo guard, rather than just a straight two-guard,” Oats said. “If you look at the NBA, a lot of those guys who are playing the point in the NBA were straight two-guards in college. We’re getting him better bringing the ball up the floor, handling the pick-and-roll, that type of stuff.” Shackelford has also improved his defense, Oats said, adding to his established prowess as a shooter.

-- Rojas, a JUCO transfer last year, is getting “healthier and healthier” and practicing well after returning from an ACL injury, Oats said. “He’s turning into the exact kind of player we thought he was going to be.” Gary, who missed his freshman year with an ACL, is about a month away from returning to live action. Oats said Gary’s injury happened later in the preseason last year, was more severe and that his rehab has been affected by COVID-19 shutdowns.

-- Reports last week about the ACC pushing an NCAA tournament next spring that includes all Division I teams caused a stir and the idea was essentially shot down by NCAA executive Dan Gavitt. Oats was asked Friday for his opinion on the proposal and called it “ridiculous,” saying conference tournaments already give each team a chance to make the NCAA tournament. “I think we need to have non-conference [regular season] games and I think we’re going to have them; the NCAA just came out with it,” Oats said. “Now that we’re going to have non-conference games, I really don’t see any need to do what they were talking about. I don’t think it’s going to happen. Shoot, I was a high school coach. Everybody made the tournament in high school. This isn’t high school basketball anymore. You’ve got to earn your way into the NCAA tournament. It’s not everybody gets in. It’s big boy, Division I basketball here.”

-- Oats said there are at least eight or nine players who he would consider starting this season, but that he has told his players that he “rarely” starts his five best players. “I think you have to have punch off the bench,” he said. “If you put your five best scorers on the floor to start the game, that doesn’t always work the best.” Oats wants a good mix of different players in his lineup and off the bench, noting that arguably his best player in Buffalo, Nick Perkins, was a bench player. “Think about getting minutes and playing significant minutes, not starting,” Oats said. “Because you may be one of our five most talented guys and not start this year.” He said who finishes the game is more important that who starts it. “We got to have closers,” Oats added, noting the team’s blown leads last season.

-- Asked about Alabama’s turnovers last season -- they committed 461, the 50th-most in Division I -- Oats reiterated that he has no plans to slow down his trademark fast pace. Instead, Oats said the influx of skill players this year should help the issue, but ultimately it’s a matter of getting used to the pace. He also thinks raw turnovers -- and other statistics such as defensive points per game allowed -- will skew higher because of the team’s pace and number of possessions per game. Oats, once a high school math teacher, instead pointed to efficiency statistics as the better indicator of success.


RollTide4Ever
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Vandy screwed up hiring Stackhouse over Steve Forbes. Incompetence holds that program back.


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I hate it for Gary that he’s still not ready to practice. I would imagine this will be another year of being able to play very little if any. Hopefully he sticks with it and continues to rehab hard to be able to make an impact at Alabama down the line.


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Thank you for your posts Chad.


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Regarding KAH, Oats comments may have subtext concerning another young Canadian that we are recruiting.

The level of our success and rise this season may well depend on the health of Quin and the skill of his backup.


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The level of our success and rise this season may well depend on the health of Quin and the skill of his backup.



I think Oats realizes this and doesn't want another season with your PG averaging over 38 minutes per game. He's developing backups in Shack, Herb, and others to avoid being thin at the point. A part of our late season swoon last year was Kira being dead legged from too many minutes.


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So when are we gonna get a schedule?


mistaken4193
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Sources: The SEC is exploring the possibility of playing two conference games in December. League currently plays 18 in total.


Oh Hell Yeah


Chadaristic
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Kira Lewis is one of five high-major underclassmen since 1992 that have averaged 18 points, five boards, 4.5 assists and 1.5 steals while shooting 35 percent from three.

The other four? Not a bad list.




Chadaristic
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But there's more: Since 2008, six high-major players have shot 35% from three, 80% from the line and post a 2.5% steal rate, 1.5% block rate and 25% assist rate.

Klay Thompson, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Trey Burke, Tyrese Haliburton and Delon Wright:




Bamafan18
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Wish we’d had Oats for Kira’s whole Bama career. Kira would’ve been scary good.


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so is everyone just assuming no fans this year for hoops? any word on that?


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