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Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:58 am to Panthers4life
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:58 am to Panthers4life
I think the only place that would give him a job above position coach right now is New England, and that might not be the case. If he lands in the NFL I could only really see it at New England or the Giants. I can't really see many other options for him but it is the NFL and they love a retread.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 12:31 pm to VaBamaMan
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Good grief you're insufferable.
and wrong.
Joe Judge had 1 season as a WR coach. He doesn't help your argument at all.
The OC situation Mac is dealing with is beyond fricked. He has no QB coach, or experienced OC, to help his development. Their offensive line coach is new too, so the line is suspect as well. The WRs SUCK. Devante Parker was such a good player the Dolphins traded him IN the division.
It's not a good situation for a young QB.
Again, Joe Judge was a head coach. Did he disappear into a black hole during that stint?
Mac has a QB coach. May not be the best, but he has a coach.
Not every winning quarterback gets first rounders at multiple WR spots. The NFL is actually structured to make this hard for teams to do across the board. It's a pick and choose system for most franchises that are good year in and year out. The Patriots rarely bring in first rounders at the WR position. They won many games without them, including early on before Brady got his legs under him and became what he did.
Again, I would put money on Mac getting a few games into next year, and if he's still a pick machine, there's going to be a hard decision made. If a new offensive coordinator is brought in, be it O'Brien or whomever, and Mac is still turning it over, that'd be even worse. Three coordinators in, and he's still making bad decisions.
Again, both you and the other one in this thread are making statements like you haven't watched the games. The Patriots had success last year before their bye week because they limited the passing game for Mac. Play ball control and rely on the defense. Mac had a quarterback coach and experienced playcaller, and still made really bad throws after the bye week.
I like your schtick, though. The ignorance on the topic comes through, but you say it with authority. Good for you.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 1:17 pm to LockDown
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Again, both you and the other one in this thread are making statements like you haven't watched the games. The Patriots had success last year before their bye week because they limited the passing game for Mac. Play ball control and rely on the defense. Mac had a quarterback coach and experienced playcaller, and still made really bad throws after the bye week.
I like your schtick, though. The ignorance on the topic comes through, but you say it with authority. Good for you.
I guarantee I watch more NFL football than you do. I am also active on the Patriots subreddit.
Joe Judge being a former head coach has no application regarding his ability to coach the offensive side of the football. And while is co-coordinator, this is Patricia's offense. He is the one calling plays.
You obviously haven't paid attention to what the Patriots are wanting Mac to do this season. Patricia said they watched Bama film from 2020 in the off-season, and wanted to incorporate the downfield ability Mac displayed, instead of McDaniels' 5-15 yd passing offense. They are asking Mac to air it out more, and he is making mistakes while doing so. Because he is having to do so much at the line of scrimmage pre-snap, he can't just play. He is playing tight. In the game yesterday he made some really good throws down field, he also made some bad ones. He also tried to force some balls downfield being aggressive, when underneath stuff was open. Last year he dealt with everyone calling him noodle arm, and no one believed he would ever throw down field.
Additionally, Patricia has no idea how to implement it. Saw a stat earlier today that when in shotgun, Patriots are passing 87% of the time, and when under center, they are running it 91% of the time. Nothing like telegraphing what the play will be before you snap the ball.
You talk about me being arrogant, and talking out of my arse, when that's exactly what you are doing.
edit: I am also IRL friends with a Patriots beat reporter for NESN. Though I won't say which one.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 1:57 pm to VaBamaMan
Robert Kraft needs to blow it up after this year when the Pats end up with a top 5 pick. Nepotism never works and Bill is all about having his kids and buddies on the coaching staff. Love Bill think he's the greatest coach ever but this off-season has been terrible and other then Bill that's not another guy on the coaching staff that would have a job anywhere else other then maybe Jerod Mayo.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:08 pm to VaBamaMan
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I guarantee I watch more NFL football than you do.
Then tune in to the Patriots some more and focus on the bad decision-making from Mac. Spend less time watching other games.
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I am also active on the Patriots subreddit.
Why didn't you lead with this?
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He is playing tight.
Yes, already said he was pressing.
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He also tried to force some balls downfield being aggressive, when underneath stuff was open.
And finally we reach the point.
This is the point - bad decision making. The really bad decisions he's been making (last year and this year)have nothing to do with the level of talent at the receiver position. Nor does it have to do with coordinator (With McDaniels - bad decision making after the bye last year; With Patricia/Judge - continuance of bad decision making this year).
Again, he probably won't be benched this year unless he's hurt. They're going to give him a fair chance, hence why I said if it's still happening into next year, that's when Mac gets heat. Wouldn't be surprised if Patriots acquire a contingency plan in the off season.
It might not be "fair" for Mac to have to learn a new system at this point, but it's the NFL. It's not about fairness; it's the job. If it were fair, there wouldn't be 100 David Carrs for every one Patrick Mahomes. Every rookie would walk into a loaded roster.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:52 pm to LockDown
This back in forth is funny to me cause both of you make valid, and in my opinion correct points, and most of the points in y'alls arguments are not mutual exclusive. I believe it is some of one some of the other but y'all just going at it 
. I don't believe Belichick will have a quick hook though cause he is generally cheap. He won't pay for a good free agent QB and he won't likely spend high draft capital on a QB that could replace Mac after using a 1st round pick on a QB so recently. Most importantly Bill does not like to admit he didn't make the right decision.
. I don't believe Belichick will have a quick hook though cause he is generally cheap. He won't pay for a good free agent QB and he won't likely spend high draft capital on a QB that could replace Mac after using a 1st round pick on a QB so recently. Most importantly Bill does not like to admit he didn't make the right decision.This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:26 pm to VaBamaMan
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Patricia said they watched Bama film from 2020 in the off-season, and wanted to incorporate the downfield ability Mac displayed, instead of McDaniels' 5-15 yd passing offense. They are asking Mac to air it out more, and he is making mistakes while doing so. Because he is having to do so much at the line of scrimmage pre-snap, he can't just play. He is playing tight. In the game yesterday he made some really good throws down field, he also made some bad ones. He also tried to force some balls downfield being aggressive, when underneath stuff was open.
People played up the "frick it, Tyreek down there somewhere" meme with Mahomes, but you have to have some of that to pick up chunk yards in the NFL these days without the defense making a mistake. There's a lot of risk and reward to it, but when your WRs are a bunch of #2/3 guys the reward side just isn't there as much as it is for a team that has someone who regularly comes up with 50/50 balls downfield. Like that pass Jalen threw to Smitty in double coverage. That was a risky throw, but he gave Smitty a chance to go up and get one and he did. Smitty would also be the definitive #1 option if you put him on the Patriots roster.
Basically New England has the personnel for methodically moving the ball down the field 10 yards at a time because that's what McDaniels' offense is, but this year they've been trying to hit HRs with it while using a couple of dudes with minimal experience coaching offense to develop a young QB. That's just not a recipe for success any way you look at it.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:00 pm to Robot Santa
The Pats have so many issues all over the field that drafting a QB is asinine. That's how you become the jets and the old browns they need talent everywhere. If they tank its time to get a top end wide receiver or even a tackle because Wynn is awful
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:34 pm to Ethan89
Could be worse.
Could be a Saints fan.
Could be a Saints fan.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 6:44 pm to Ethan89
If the Pats don't get a legit WR1 in the off-season it'll be criminal. They have some decent WRs, but no one that scares any defense. They need to open the wallet in FA to beef up the OL and go WR in round 1... even though their track record drafting WRs is pretty bad. Got to hit on one eventually.
Before last season they hit FA hard, but outside of Judon, it was money not well spent. 2 overpaid TEs that have minimal real impact on gamedays makes no sense.
Before last season they hit FA hard, but outside of Judon, it was money not well spent. 2 overpaid TEs that have minimal real impact on gamedays makes no sense.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:26 pm to VaBamaMan
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I am also active on the Patriots subreddit.
Bro, I’m a regular at Applebees. I eat endless wings and fries on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
I can tell you that Mac is in a bad situation.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:33 pm to UASports23
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Bro, I’m a regular at Applebees. I eat endless wings and fries on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
I can tell you that Mac is in a bad situation
Yeah, but with that guy I apparently had to qualify why my opinion isn't one grounded in pure Bama homerism. Only reason I mentioned that. Because it means I pay more attention than he seemed to think.
Same reason I mentioned that I have a friend who works for NESN as a Pats beat reporter.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:16 pm to VaBamaMan
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:21 pm to LockDown
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edit: I am also IRL friends with a Patriots beat reporter for NESN. Though I won't say which one.
Then keep us informed as to who Bill's going to bring in to push Mac Jones to learn not to be a turnover machine.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 10:10 pm to LockDown
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Then keep us informed as to who Bill's going to bring in to push Mac Jones to learn not to be a turnover machine.
I'd rather know when are they actually gonna draft a #1 wide receiver.
You put Waddle and Hill on the Pat's and Mac is having more success.
The Pat's draft issues and lack of skill players is why Brady left.
I'm not sure why anyone who is a Bama fan wouldn't be supportive of Mac. There are obvious issues beyond Mac pressing. If you don't see that then it's because you're just wanting to push your agenda.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:54 am to BFANLC
think it is very obvious that Tua and Hurts have 2 studs at WR.. while Mac has 0
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:39 am to BFANLC
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There are obvious issues beyond Mac pressing. If you don't see that then it's because you're just wanting to push your agenda
There are a lot of people that want to see Mac fail in general. I'm not talking about LockDown, but just in general. Might just be people hating the Patriots. Not sure.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:53 pm to Funky Tide 8
I just want Mac to stop the griddy.
Being an optimist, at least we don’t have to see that shite due to his ankle injury.
Being an optimist, at least we don’t have to see that shite due to his ankle injury.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:10 pm to UASports23
I think that the griddy is a lame dance, but it's funny when Mac does it.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:27 pm to Funky Tide 8
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There are a lot of people that want to see Mac fail in general. I'm not talking about LockDown, but just in general. Might just be people hating the Patriots. Not sure.
I actually want Mac to succeed. I'm also a Patriots fan. I was ecstatic Shanahan didn't get his way on draft night a couple of years ago. Win or lose, I respect the consistency and the way the organization is run.
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Mac needs to break the bad habit of turnovers. It kills a team's chances of winning, especially a team afforded a razor thin margin of error like the Patriots had last year and this year. And it just seems like the bad interceptions Mac is throwing are getting worse by the week. This past week, at least to me, were by far the worst since he's been in the League. Followed not far behind by the out route pick he threw in Indianapolis last year that was two days late and two dollars short.
He's got to clean it up, and clean it up quickly. The Patriots don't have the build to play come from behind ball this year.
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