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Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:40 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:40 pm to The Spleen
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Honestly, the biggest thing I'm upset with is not requiring masks, and an apparent lack of protocol if a student or teacher tests positive. Oh, and leaving it up to parents to keep their kids home if they have any symptoms. As lackadaisical as the general public has been around here on masks and social distancing, it's a recipe for disaster.
I can respect the difficulty in the decision, but at the same time the board members ran for those seats, and the superintendent accepted that role. Difficult decisions come with the territory, but when leaders above their head have been skirting any accountability with their inaction, can't say I blame them.
Absolutely agree. The lack of principled and sober leadership and decision making across the country has been the most glaring thing about this entire event to me. I won't try to pretend and diagnose why, but it's eroding trust in even the most basic and local of institutions.
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:44 pm to Robot Santa
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Like I said, the only way they can possibly make it work is by just foregoing social distancing while limiting the children's exposure to anyone outside of their assigned classroom. That way if there is an infection it is contained.
Agree - just basically create a bunch of bubbles. And, from the science that seems to prove kids are much less likely to get the virus at all (sick or asymptomatic), that approach seems to be more likely to have some success than it would with adults. You may have to re-arrange some things for kids who have underlying issues/parents with underlying issues/teachers who are older, but that can be done in some manner.
I think almost all parents understand that this school year is going to be different and a challenge, but this is something they have to be creative with and understand the magnitude of. It's literally going to change the local societal economies and family life. This isn't being trigger happy on a snow day once a year.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I do know most Dept of Ed’s have given schools leeway to close for 3-5 days when there are outbreaks without ramifications . I guess to clean and sanitize the best you can
Posted on 7/8/20 at 1:56 pm to The Spleen
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It reeks of not wanting to be responsible for any decision.
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
I firmly believe that the basis of school system protocols thus far have been simply built upon release of liability, hence leaving those decisions up to the parents.
Later it will be much easier for them to say "someone didn't follow the rules" rather than "we screwed up."
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:04 pm to paperwasp
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I firmly believe that the basis of school system protocols thus far have been simply built upon release of liability, hence leaving those decisions up to the parents.
Later it will be much easier for them to say "someone didn't follow the rules" rather than "we screwed up."
Yep - though to be fair to them, that is a legitimate thing to consider. As someone who deals with large schools systems at times during my job, scanning their legal invoices is mindblowing. I'm sure some of them are legitimate, but the frivolous nature of the majority of them is incredible. And this situation is just BEGGING for a tidal wave of lawsuits for all sorts of issues, not even those specifically having to do with COVID (special needs kids getting proper "time and effort", procedures being against the law, kids being treated unfairly due to "insert thing here", etc).
It's a mess.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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special needs kids getting proper "time and effort", procedures being against the law, kids being treated unfairly due to "insert thing here", etc.
I have been privy to some of those district-level concerns, and you are 100% correct.
The intricate legalities of maintaining a school system day-to-day are astounding.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The lack of principled and sober leadership and decision making across the country has been the most glaring thing about this entire event to me. I won't try to pretend and diagnose why, but it's eroding trust in even the most basic and local of institutions.
The Overton window has become a small, moving target, leaving elected officials terrified of making decisions because they know they're going to piss off 60% of their constituents instead of 30% of them.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yep - though to be fair to them, that is a legitimate thing to consider. As someone who deals with large schools systems at times during my job, scanning their legal invoices is mindblowing. I'm sure some of them are legitimate, but the frivolous nature of the majority of them is incredible. And this situation is just BEGGING for a tidal wave of lawsuits for all sorts of issues, not even those specifically having to do with COVID (special needs kids getting proper "time and effort", procedures being against the law, kids being treated unfairly due to "insert thing here", etc).
It's a mess.
As an example, when I was running through possible scenarios in my head I considered "just require families with a stay at home parent/guardian to do online school to limit the number of kids in the schools" and immediately realized that the school district that did that would have dozens of injunctions filed against them the next day, which would potentially result in them delaying opening even longer. There are simply no good answers. They're going to get sued no matter what they do and it's going to be a nightmare.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:05 pm to phil4bama
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I’ll be the first one to admit the Trump administration’s handling of the pandemic has been awful. But what’s the alternative? Grandpa Joe who likes to fondle women of all ages and doesn’t know what he had for breakfast? No good choices.
I couldn't disagree more. As much as I hated GWB's policies, and as much as I think he was a terrible president, he would be handling this head and shoulders above the current occupant. I'd say the same for every former president in my lifetime.
And that's all that needs to be said on it lest this turns too political.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:39 pm to The Spleen
Ivy League just cancelled all sports until 2021. Football probably postponed until spring.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:44 pm to phil4bama
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Ivy League just cancelled all sports until 2021. Football probably postponed until spring.
They have nowhere near the same economic interest as power 5 conferences. It's interesting because it looks like the logical thing to do, but it feels like college football will wait this out for another month.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 4:45 pm to bamameister
But it affects Power 5 programs. Alabama had a Dec 1 basketball game scheduled with Yale. WHat happens to that? Probably cancelled.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:01 pm to TideSaint
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At some point our society is going to have to make the collective decision to stop trying to prevent the spread of this virus and allow it to take who it takes. I have three surviving grandparents (aged 89, 90 and 92) and all three have stated they are okay with dying from this virus. They are more concerned with the damage this is doing to our society, economy and their great-grandchildren's lives.
It's harsh and I know this opinion won't be well liked, but we can't let this virus run our ways of life forever. I know the possibility of a vaccine is out there, but they have never been able to produce a vaccine for the other Coronavirus strains so what makes them confident they can have one for this one?
A lot of people will die in this scenario, but 99% of us won't. We'll all likely lose loved ones and that will hurt.
Exactly.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:09 pm to Bear88
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I do know most Dept of Ed’s have given schools leeway to close for 3-5 days when there are outbreaks without ramifications . I guess to clean and sanitize the best you can
Which is really silly because all the studies now pretty well agree that the chance of catching it from surfaces is very low.
Daily decon of common touch points and regular daily hand washing (like have the kids do it every hour or two) wil be as effective as any professional service - of course since the cost of that will be minimal they'll opt to go with the expensive service.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:55 pm to JustGetItRight
Promoting the sacrifice of 3.3 million people (the 1% of the country who gets to die in your scenario) in order to avoid some minor inconveniences like wearing a mask in public, getting take out instead of dine in, hell...even not having a college football season, is one of the most disgusting, morally repugnant things I think I have ever seen anyone say.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:03 pm to Robot Santa
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Promoting the sacrifice of 3.3 million people (the 1% of the country who gets to die in your scenario) in order to avoid some minor inconveniences like wearing a mask in public, getting take out instead of dine in, hell...even not having a college football season, is one of the most disgusting, morally repugnant things I think I have ever seen anyone say.
Who is promoting it? It has nothing to do with minor inconveniences. It has everything to do with losing our ways of life.
You're pissed because your son can't go to kindergarten like other kids. You mentioned the possibility of him suffering developmentally. Are we supposed to let an entire generation of children suffer to protect the elderly, terminally ill and morbidly obese members of society?
Like I said, it's not ideal and it's something we will have to comes to terms with collectively as a society. Hell, most of the old people I've seen out and about aren't even wearing fricking masks. Again, if the ones we are trying to protect DON'T GIVE A shite, WHY ARE WE DOING IT?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:12 pm to TideSaint
It’s here now and not going away. If they locked everything down again, it would just flare back up when things open. It’s just something we are going to have to live with.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:16 pm to TideSaint
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Who is promoting it?
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At some point our society is going to have to make the collective decision to stop trying to prevent the spread of this virus and allow it to take who it takes.
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A lot of people will die in this scenario, but 99% of us won't. We'll all likely lose loved ones and that will hurt.
I don't really know what else you'd call this.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:21 pm to TideSaint
Can't let the cure be worse than the disease.
Like I and others have stated before there are many more that are at risk due to this shutdown and nobody wants to address those concerns during the promotion of all the fear mongering.
We have shut down damn near the entire planet for something that has a 99% survival rate and now months later they want to start with the masks. Every person I know that is elderly is way past over all of this. You would think with something as deadly as they claim on TV to be that I would have known at least 1 person to have died from this by now and I don't know a single person.
Like I and others have stated before there are many more that are at risk due to this shutdown and nobody wants to address those concerns during the promotion of all the fear mongering.
We have shut down damn near the entire planet for something that has a 99% survival rate and now months later they want to start with the masks. Every person I know that is elderly is way past over all of this. You would think with something as deadly as they claim on TV to be that I would have known at least 1 person to have died from this by now and I don't know a single person.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 6:24 pm to TideSaint
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Are we supposed to let an entire generation of children suffer to protect the elderly, terminally ill and morbidly obese members of society?
By now it should be clear that while these groups are the ones disproportionately killed, this virus can be dangerous for younger, healthier people. And even if it doesn't kill someone that contracts it, we're still just learning of the long term ramifications for people that recover from even mild cases. There is evidence of pretty severe lung damage in those that have recovered from it.
There was a point where I think we could have gotten back close to normal, but that would have required an aggressive testing, tracing, and isolating program nationwide. That never happened, so here we are.
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