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Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:40 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:40 pm to mistaken4193
Yeah, the huge majority of kids have mild symptoms if any at all. The problems are happening because the ones on campus are being quarantined and Alabama is supposed to have staff to carry them to their designated quarantine room, bring them food, check on them, bring anything else they might need. That ain't happening as it was designed. I'm sure they had X number of people assigned to these jobs and they now need X times 3. I don't know about yours, Bear, but my daughter has spoken to one person at Bama after daughter reached out to her. All she was concerned about was when she found out daughter was a new sorority member, she wanted to know which one and had she been in the house or in contact with any of her sisters. Damn, lady, she isn't even allowed to go to the house right now per Alabama's rules! She has also reached out to see exactly what the procedure is to return once her quarantine is over. The voice mail said someone would contact her in a couple of days.
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Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:24 pm to phil4bama
It is a big deal in the Greek system right now . Girls are freaking out for no reason ( sorry but mainly freshman lol) . Daughter said she can go to house and someone will bring it out to them . Yea they are contact tracing pretty good from my understanding
Daughter has a case worker for hers Now and had another one question her about her roommate a couple weeks ago when she had it to make sure they are following protocols
Daughter has a case worker for hers Now and had another one question her about her roommate a couple weeks ago when she had it to make sure they are following protocols
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Posted on 8/29/20 at 8:58 pm to mistaken4193
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Wow. I think everyone but Student athletes should be sent home so we can have football.
Based on the nonsense the football team is participating in on Monday, I'd be fine if they sent all the athletes home instead. I'm not going to be watching the social justice hour every Saturday.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 9:14 pm to imjustafatkid
I have seen this floating around today if anyone cares to dig into it further.
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Mel Q Frog face
@littllemel
“This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid
That's 9,210 deaths
The other 94% had 2-3 other serious illnesses & the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age”
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:15 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Here's the link. Just scroll down and click on the blue tab for table 3.
Table 3. Conditions contributing to deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), by age group, United States. Week ending 2-1-2020 to 8-22-2020.
Table 3. Conditions contributing to deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), by age group, United States. Week ending 2-1-2020 to 8-22-2020.
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Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:17 pm to mistaken4193
If y’all didn’t think this was all political the B1G starting up Thanksgiving weekend (after the election)100% proves it.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:20 pm to jatebe
6% of 161,392 equals 9683.52.
Means about 9,700 people in the US has died of the coronavirus only.
The rest had some other major underlying disease or health problems that helped contribute to the death.
Means about 9,700 people in the US has died of the coronavirus only.
The rest had some other major underlying disease or health problems that helped contribute to the death.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:24 pm to jatebe
Not a big shutdown guy here but that seems a little low to me . If someone has high blood pressure (millions ) or diabetes (millions ) would they still be alive if they hadn’t caught Covid ?? I would say probably so 
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:39 pm to Bear88
Here's a chart from the CDC showing deaths by age group from 2-1-20 thru 8-22-20.
College age kids are very, very, low.
College age kids are very, very, low.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:43 pm to jatebe
Oh yea for sure . Don’t get all the send em home talk . Hell go virtual couple weeks if need be but work through it
Posted on 8/29/20 at 10:57 pm to jatebe
I thought it was weird that our numbers were Substantially higher than every other country. I knew we were lying
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:02 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Covid is real, I’ve never said otherwise, but I do believe the majority of the panic was politically motivated. Regardless of what side you’re on, we are just stupid little pawns being use for power and money. Makes me sick.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:24 pm to Cobrasize
Oh yea. Just like these “peaceful” protests where innocent people and businesses are killed / destroyed with no government protection ... sickening
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:31 pm to Bear88
Exactly. This is unreal. I’m against big government, but I’m also against innocent people losing their lives and livelihoods because of bullshite.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 6:46 am to Bobby OG Johnson
The main point of that is intellectually dishonest and parts of it are blatantly untrue.
The "of the rest, 90% were in nursing homes" is a straight out lie. Homes that accept Medicaid (which is virtually all of them). have to report to their cases to CMS, which makes the data public. They're showing a couple hundred short of 50,000 covid deaths - of the 183,000 in the US. Since about 1/2 of 1% of the US population lives in nursing homes, that's quite a disparate impact that doesn't need embellishment but it's far from what the writer claimed.
As far as the claim about the rest having multiple "serious" diseases, Bear nailed what makes that intellectually dishonest. Chronic diseases like hypertension and diabetes aren't terribly deadly when they're managed until covid gets introduced. Would they have died from covid in 2020 without the underlying conditions? Probably not. Would they have died in 2020 from the underlying conditions without covid? Probably not. If covid's the change agent that triggered their death, they should be counted. Those same people are more likely to die from things like the seasonal flu too - and when they do they're counted as flu deaths every year. No different with covid.
There most certainly are cases that shouldn't be counted. I know of 3 terminally ill people that tested positive for covid, got counted as covid deaths, and would be dead by now if covid didn't exist. That's wrong, but they don't make up the bulk of the cases.
The numbers clearly demonstrate that the risk to the young and healthy is quite low. What happened over the summer shows that the mass shutdown didn't do anything but break the economy and kick the outbreak can down the road a few months. When people like whoever made this tweet and the Hesse post it's based on lie and twist facts, it removes credibility from valid points instead of helping make them.
The "of the rest, 90% were in nursing homes" is a straight out lie. Homes that accept Medicaid (which is virtually all of them). have to report to their cases to CMS, which makes the data public. They're showing a couple hundred short of 50,000 covid deaths - of the 183,000 in the US. Since about 1/2 of 1% of the US population lives in nursing homes, that's quite a disparate impact that doesn't need embellishment but it's far from what the writer claimed.
As far as the claim about the rest having multiple "serious" diseases, Bear nailed what makes that intellectually dishonest. Chronic diseases like hypertension and diabetes aren't terribly deadly when they're managed until covid gets introduced. Would they have died from covid in 2020 without the underlying conditions? Probably not. Would they have died in 2020 from the underlying conditions without covid? Probably not. If covid's the change agent that triggered their death, they should be counted. Those same people are more likely to die from things like the seasonal flu too - and when they do they're counted as flu deaths every year. No different with covid.
There most certainly are cases that shouldn't be counted. I know of 3 terminally ill people that tested positive for covid, got counted as covid deaths, and would be dead by now if covid didn't exist. That's wrong, but they don't make up the bulk of the cases.
The numbers clearly demonstrate that the risk to the young and healthy is quite low. What happened over the summer shows that the mass shutdown didn't do anything but break the economy and kick the outbreak can down the road a few months. When people like whoever made this tweet and the Hesse post it's based on lie and twist facts, it removes credibility from valid points instead of helping make them.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:22 am to mistaken4193
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I thought it was weird that our numbers were Substantially higher than every other country. I knew we were lying
We have a higher population than most other countries. Our actual numbers should be higher than theirs.
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:42 am to JustGetItRight
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The "of the rest, 90% were in nursing homes" is a straight out lie. Homes that accept Medicaid (which is virtually all of them). have to report to their cases to CMS, which makes the data public. They're showing a couple hundred short of 50,000 covid deaths - of the 183,000 in the US. Since about 1/2 of 1% of the US population lives in nursing homes, that's quite a disparate impact that doesn't need embellishment but it's far from what the writer claimed.
Are these deaths while in the nursing home? If so, one way these numbers have been fudged is by the nursing homes not reporting the deaths who were transferred to a hospital before dying. Not saying that is or isn't the case, but that has been why some nursing home numbers have been misreported previously. Is that the case here?
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Would they have died from covid in 2020 without the underlying conditions? Probably not. Would they have died in 2020 from the underlying conditions without covid? Probably not. If covid's the change agent that triggered their death, they should be counted. Those same people are more likely to die from things like the seasonal flu too - and when they do they're counted as flu deaths every year. No different with covid.
I agree with this, but I still think it's important to note how much comes down to personal responsibility. People with these issues should have isolated themselves from this virus. They had every opportunity to do so, and we've always known underlying conditions affect your survival. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be reported, but we shouldn't be basing public policy around this threat.
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There most certainly are cases that shouldn't be counted. I know of 3 terminally ill people that tested positive for covid, got counted as covid deaths, and would be dead by now if covid didn't exist. That's wrong, but they don't make up the bulk of the cases.
Maybe not the bulk, but I'm sure it's a large number. I'd go out on a limb and say it's likely that almost every nursing home death (and those from nursing homes who died at a hospital) shouldn't be counted as a death "from COVID."
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 11:31 am to imjustafatkid
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Are these deaths while in the nursing home? If so, one way these numbers have been fudged is by the nursing homes not reporting the deaths who were transferred to a hospital before dying. Not saying that is or isn't the case, but that has been why some nursing home numbers have been misreported previously. Is that the case here?
That's one reason I went with CMS numbers. I saw what the state of New York did to make Cuomo's 'gotta take them back' order not look so deadly - but what the state reports and what they tell the feds are often very different in regular times. Mess around and get yourself cut off from Medicare /Medicaid when your target customers are ALL Medicare/Medicaid and you're out of business.
Can I say with certainty the numbers aren't fudged some? Of course not but simply looking at the breakdowns by age tell you the 90% claim is an outright fabrication. Nationally, ALL over 65 deaths credited to covid make up about 75% of the total number. In order for the author's claim to be true, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them and a good pile of the remaining 25% would have to be nursing home patients - and that's laughably false. Again, why lie? There's no reason to do it yet the author did so.
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I agree with this, but I still think it's important to note how much comes down to personal responsibility. People with these issues should have isolated themselves from this virus. They had every opportunity to do so, and we've always known underlying conditions affect your survival. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be reported, but we shouldn't be basing public policy around this threat.
I don't disagree too much with this except to say that real isolation isn't possible. The covid patient I mentioned upthread is a good example. I found out yesterday he's now on a vent. He's 86 and obese. You do the math where this is headed. He knew it too - which is why he hadn't been out of his yard since late March. None of the handful (I'm talking 10-15 at most) people that entered his house during that time had tested positive or shown symptoms but one of them brought it to him. What more could he have done?
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Maybe not the bulk, but I'm sure it's a large number. I'd go out on a limb and say it's likely that almost every nursing home death (and those from nursing homes who died at a hospital) shouldn't be counted as a death "from COVID."
Sorry, can't agree. Lots of nursing home/assisted living patients are there because of mental decline (dementia, etc) or simply the lack of a support system that would enable them to live semi-independently. Most aren't lying in the bed staring off into space like people think. They're capable of living years absent the introduction of an outside element like covid. What you're really saying is don't count them because their death from covid isn't reflective of the disease's influence on mainstream society. That's a cold but not totally inaccurate position but it doesn't mean that covid didn't kill them because it most certainly did and they should be counted (unless as I said earlier they were already terminally ill/under hospice care/etc).
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 1:40 pm to JustGetItRight
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Again, why lie? There's no reason to do it yet the author did so.
I feel that. The numbers are still much lower with the CDC update without having to inflate it.
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What you're really saying is don't count them because their death from covid isn't reflective of the disease's influence on mainstream society.
Nah I just think including them skews the effect on the general public in a negative way. These should be the easiest folks to keep isolated. We should do that, but that doesn't mean we should isolate literally everyone else too. Currently we're doing a "one size fits all" mentality that really isn't helping anything. Actually, we've been doing that from the start while smarter heads have said we should have been doing something else.
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None of the handful (I'm talking 10-15 at most) people that entered his house during that time had tested positive or shown symptoms but one of them brought it to him. What more could he have done?
Yeah that sucks. If people are isolating themselves and still catching it then I'm not sure what we're doing any of this for.
This post was edited on 8/30/20 at 4:14 pm
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