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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:03 am to Bamainva40
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:03 am to Bamainva40
quote:probably the same ones who downvoted my post the other day where I was just passing along info about Dmitry Rivny not coming here (which I knew for a fact and was right about). Was also downvoted for telling y’all I heard Key was gonna transfer (which I was also right about). I don’t claim to be some big insider, but I was able to get some good connections over the past year thankfully
Can't even believe 2 idiots downvoted my last post. I swear I think some just troll to troll.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:08 am to BigBird09
quote:I think of talent evaluation as more of finding guys who might not be well-rounded or high-major (or whatever your needed criteria is) players yet but could be with a little bit of skill or body development. Or finding guys who might not fit into other systems but fit uniquely into yours for whatever reason.
Can either of y'all explain to me how to tell if a coaching staff has good talent evaluation if that player never blows up? This is like saying Davidson doesn't deserve credit for finding Stephen Curry because it's obvious to everyone how talented he is now.
We identified Sexton before he blew up in HS. We identified Herb when he was a lowly 3-star and not projected as a 2019 1st rd draft pick. We identified Arthur Edwards who averaged 3.9 PPG and shot 22% from 3 at New Mexico the prior season, and was a very solid starter and 40% deep ball shooter for us the next. We identified Galin Smith who was ranked 274th in 247sports composite and who was viewed as a project that looked like a rotation worthy Center in his first year. There's plenty of evidence that suggests this staff has done a very good job of talent evaluation thus far.
Not Sexton's case, where there was really no development needed. Once talent evaluators actually saw him on the big circuits everyone knew he was one of the best PGs in the class and a probable lotto pick. Pettway should get applause for getting to him first and sealing the connection before he blew up, but it's not like he found a diamond in the rough.
And I'm not saying that Pettway isn't overall a good talent evaulator, but I'm not sure I'd use Sexton as the prime example
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:26 am to GatorsGators
The play/development of Butler and Fleming will be a good indicator. Will also be interesting to see how Stewart develops at MSU. We were very high on him and I believe we were his first P5 offer. I’m still bitter how that played out.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:11 pm to GatorsGators
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Not Sexton's case, where there was really no development needed.
Player development isn't the same as talent evaluation. That's a different aspect of coaching altogether.
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Once talent evaluators actually saw him on the big circuits everyone knew he was one of the best PGs in the class and a probable lotto pick.
Yeah. Once everyone saw him explode in the EYBL setting scoring records, everyone knew. Pebblebrook isn't some small school in Georgia nobody had ever heard of. Jared Harper was a highly recruited top 100 player that played with Sexton his Junior year before he exploded. HM coaches went to games Sexton was a part of just months before he exploded.
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but it's not like he found a diamond in the rough
Alabama was the first HM to see and go hard after a player whose incredible talent and potential were hidden to most, if not all eyes. Pretty sure that's the definition of finding "a diamond in the rough."
Posted on 5/16/18 at 1:06 pm to Bamafan15
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(which I knew for a fact and was right about)
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(which I was also right about)
You pat yourself anymore on the back, you'll turn into Boz
Posted on 5/16/18 at 2:21 pm to Bryant91092
Nah I’m good
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:45 pm to GatorsGators
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honestly have no memories of Sexton's recruitment
Did y’all sign a PG in the same class as Sexton? Thought I remembered y’all being in it at the start but y’all accepted a PG commitment from somebody else. I could be thinking of somebody else or maybe the site I was looking at was wrong. At the time Sexton was ranked in the 530’s yet was showing offers from FL, Bama and nobody else.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:21 pm to GatorsGators
Agree 100%. I'm just saying its not like others weren't going to see Sexton eventually. A diamond in the rough would be a guy that wasn't even on the AAU circuit.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:25 pm to Tide or Die87
Were we really the first to offer Sexton tried looking it up and couldn't find anything.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:35 pm to Tide or Die87
First entry on his 247 timeline is from February 2016. It was an offer from Cincy. Pretty sure we offered late in 2015 or maybe January 2016.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:28 pm to Gongora
Yea that's where I was looking
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:50 am to BigBird09
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Pebblebrook isn't some small school in Georgia
Sexton only transferred to Pebblebrook his JR season and he got offers during his JR season there when avg 28+ ppg
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Jared Harper was a highly recruited top 100
He was a 3* recruit until his SR season / summer circuit performances
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Alabama was the first HM to see and go hard after a player whose incredible talent and potential were hidden to most, if not all eyes
A huge part of the "hidden" talent was Sexton was a 6'2 SG his JR season when Alabama offered. There was very limited evidence of Sexton playing his projected position of PG given the pairing with Jared Harper. Given Sexton's style that has a higher TO frequency + streaky shooting, it wasn't a guarantee he'd be able to smoothly transition to PG
Plus, a huge part of Sexton's projection even to the NBA is his wingspan, which wasn't likely readily available information until EYBL/TeamUSA/Summer Evals
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:07 pm to GenesChin
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Sexton only transferred to Pebblebrook his JR season and he got offers during his JR season there when avg 28+ ppg
I referenced that...
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that played with Sexton his Junior year before he exploded.
Also Sexton averaged 23 ppg his Junior year, not 28+ ppg
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He was a 3* recruit until his SR season / summer circuit performances
So Bruce Pearl never attended his games?
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A huge part of the "hidden" talent was Sexton was a 6'2 SG his JR season when Alabama offered. There was very limited evidence of Sexton playing his projected position of PG given the pairing with Jared Harper. Given Sexton's style that has a higher TO frequency + streaky shooting, it wasn't a guarantee he'd be able to smoothly transition to PG
Use quotation marks all you want, but he was at the very least hidden to Bruce Pearl. Also, many people still thought he would be a SG even after he blew up.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:41 pm to BigBird09
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Use quotation marks all you want, but he was at the very least hidden to Bruce Pearl
We had Davion Mitchell committed for our only availavle G scholarship before Sexton even stepped on the court for Pebblebrook
Definitely the possibility that Bruce could have missed Sexton if we missed on Mitchell though
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Also, many people still thought he would be a SG even after he blew up.
I'm sure, but he isn't the same caliber prospect as an undersized SG
Not many 6'1 SG w no PG experience get recruited by Kansas is what I'm getting at
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:53 pm to GenesChin
I'm not down playing Bama's job of evaluating and finding Sexton btw
I just think if Sexton played PG his SO/JR seasons at a school like Pebblebrook, he wouldn't have been as lightly recruited
From my understanding he made huge improvements over JR season, so Bama def deserves credit for recognizing his potential.
I just think if Sexton played PG his SO/JR seasons at a school like Pebblebrook, he wouldn't have been as lightly recruited
From my understanding he made huge improvements over JR season, so Bama def deserves credit for recognizing his potential.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:53 pm to Bamafan15
Havent been on in a while, whats our standing with those 3??
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:49 am to mistaken4193
The latest on Kira is not good for Bama. This is second hand so TIFWIW...the word around school is KL will graduate early and sign with Ole Miss. Apparently OM has guaranteed him a starting position as a true freshman.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:59 am to partsman103
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TIFWIW...the word around school is KL will graduate early and sign with Ole Miss.
Signing with OM is about as TIFWIW as you can get
EDIT: Thanks for sharing, just shocked that OM could be seriously in this given who else is involved from Bama to blue bloods
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:24 am to partsman103
Thanks for sharing
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