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Posted on 4/7/18 at 6:28 pm to
Posted by Crede15
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 6:28 pm to
I think Dazon is/was a good defender. He has his issues, but that isn’t really one of them.

One problem with the Herb as PG idea is his free throw shooting.

And I don’t know why I just thought about how bad our free throw shooting will be without Sexton. The off-season is for irrational hope, not that sort of shite.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 6:29 pm to
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sexton was a very good defender


Forgot to include "when he wanted to be"

Sexton frequently looked disengaged when off ball and occasionally struggled with team D concepts


That's very common for freshmen players coming from the AAU circuit though
Posted by Bamainva40
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 8:40 pm to
Agree somewhat...But he wasn't the typical freshman in that he cared about and worked to be a good defender. Alot of freshmen really don't want to defend.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:49 pm to
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But he wasn't the typical freshman in that he cared about and worked to be a good defender.



I'm guessing what you mean is that it is rare to find a lotto talent like Sexton who puts in extra work/effort and doesn't coast on natural ability like many other equally talented players

You've consistently weaved this narrative that Sexton has some extraordinary work ethic / care factor that can't be found in other players. Maybe you need to go into more detail to explain the degree of Sexton v others, but there are a number of players on many teams that exhibit the traits you attribute to Sexton

This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Gongora
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:48 am to
C’mon Gene this is a message board not the defense of a dissertation. He doesn’t need to go into more detail. We all know what he’s trying to say. Collin is cut from a different cloth. He’s a perfectionist. He’s a hard worker. He’s an athlete. He’s got love for the game. He’s charismatic. Obviously Collin doesn’t have a monopoly of these traits, but he does possess a very unique combination of them.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:38 am to
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Obviously Collin doesn’t have a monopoly of these traits, but he does possess a very unique combination of them.


You've honestly confused me even more since you say that it is obvious what he means

Wasn't a criticism, I'm trying to understand if VA means that Sexton has a unique combination or exhibits a rare degree of these traits.

If you were to say Giannis' skillset was cut from a different cloth or Steph Curry, you'd mean completely different things

Giannis- Rare combo of skill net of athleticism and size

Steph Curry- Rare dominance of skills gross of skills

This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:04 am to
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I think they're going to be awful on defense


I do too. They'll be entertaining and highly inconsistent (sound familiar?).

I still think outside of Year 1 in general the most impressive thing our coaching staff has done in their tenure is the way our team played team defense the last 20 games of last season.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:41 pm to
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I've always thought Calipari gets less credit than he deserves in overcoming youth/inexperience. Despite typically being in the bottom 25 of 350+ teams in both Minutes Continuity + Experience, Calipari has more NCAAT wins, Final 4s and I believe overall wins since he took over UK


This has been an easy way to spot casuals. The posters that think all you have to do is recruit good players coming out of high school and that the coach can just sit back. A bunch of 18 year olds are just magically going to jell in less than a year together.

That being said, I think he deserves his fair share of criticism for in game coaching. He isn't bad but I don't think he is great either.
Posted by Bryant91092
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:42 pm to
For the life of me, I cannot figure out why this staff isn't going after any grad transfers. That's the easiest way to put your team over the top. It helps cover up recruiting mistakes you've made or unexpected departures, yet I haven't seen a single grad transfer mention us as a team that has reached out. Puzzling
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:45 pm to
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This has been an easy way to spot casuals. The posters that think all you have to do is recruit good players coming out of high school and that the coach can just sit back. A bunch of 18 year olds are just magically going to jell in less than a year together.

That being said, I think he deserves his fair share of criticism for in game coaching. He isn't bad but I don't think he is great either.



Yep on all.

The idea that he is Mark Gottfried or Lorenzo Romar is a joke. He's the anti those guys. His players either play hard and in his system or don't play. That doesn't mean he's a perfect coach, but he's not at a all a roll the balls out guy.
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:50 pm to
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His players either play hard and in his system or don't play.


You could make the argument that his team made the biggest jump after their 4 game losing streak. They were a completely different looking team, in the course of a month.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 1:40 pm to
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The posters that think all you have to do is recruit good players coming out of high school and that the coach can just sit back. A bunch of 18 year olds are just magically going to jell in less than a year together.



The worst are the posters who gauge team talent based on team recruiting rankings. Without having a top 20 class, you could make a team with 8 top 100 players, 3 top 50 including a 5* from the past 4 years.


Basketball team recruiting rankings are no where near as useful as football because basketball recruiting #s vary so much. Everyone in football needs 20+ players every class, not everyone in basketball need 4-5 signees


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That being said, I think he deserves his fair share of criticism for in game coaching. He isn't bad but I don't think he is great either.


He defninitely isn't elite, but I think he gets a lot more criticism for this than he deserves




I 100% believe the major issue he has is his assistants are garbage coaches. Assistant coaches are huge when it comes to in game coaching / x's and o's. I've always felt like a good assistants role is to monitor the details of the game for exploiting, the HC has too much player management etc to pay attention to opponent player fouls, specific play success rate etc
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 2:05 pm to
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I 100% believe the major issue he has is his assistants are garbage coaches. Assistant coaches are huge when it comes to in game coaching / x's and o's. I've always felt like a good assistants role is to monitor the details of the game for exploiting, the HC has too much player management etc to pay attention to opponent player fouls, specific play success rate etc


I think you could say that every coaching staff is different in terms of what the coach expects out of his staff. Many coaches are loyal to a fault when it comes to their assistants. Billy Donovan let us know how much he thought of Arkansas for letting go of John Pelphrey, although it was clear that he needed to go.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 4:58 pm to
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I think you could say that every coaching staff is different in terms of what the coach expects out of his staff.


I agree, I just meant that a lot of in game coaching is a reflection of the assistants. Cal shoulders the blame for picking a staff that is weak in that area, I just don't know if I'd say Cal himself is a weak in game coach if that makes sense


I'm still a little shocked that Calipari has never brought in Ryan Miller from TCU. Used to coach under Cal at Memphis and by all accounts the guy is a great recruiter, developer and knows his X's and Os.


Despite being on Barbee's staff, AU people have really high opinions on him

Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 5:19 pm to
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I just don't know if I'd say Cal himself is a weak in game coach if that makes sense


I get what you are saying. I don't think he is weak but I would probably say he is around average if compared to the other coaches we throw into the elite category.

Many Arkansas fans have been frustrated with Mike's loyalty to some of the assistants. IMO it is hard to be too critical with the limited information we have in regards to the coaching dynamics. When it comes to recruiting it is a little clearer on how assistants are performing but at practice or in games it is much more difficult imo.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 5:46 pm
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:19 pm to
We should go after Stapleton from State
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:38 pm to
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We should go after Stapleton from State


No way that MSU will clear him to transfer inside the conference.

Did he announce he was giong to GT though?


Posted by CrimsonTider98
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:47 pm to
He's a grad transfer. He can go anywhere.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:45 pm to
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He's a grad transfer. He can go anywhere


Not if he wants to play basketball on scholarship next season
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:56 am to
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For the life of me, I cannot figure out why this staff isn't going after any grad transfers. That's the easiest way to put your team over the top.


Yep. Doesn't make sense to me either. Kassius Robertson made Mizzou's team this year.
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