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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by Bamafan15
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:57 pm to
Bryce Brown had basically quit right after the game had started against Clemson. Why? It’s the NCAA tourney and at this point it was only a 10 point game. Here’s the video LINK
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:04 pm to
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Bryce Brown had basically quit right after the game had started against Clemson. Why? It’s the NCAA tourney and at this point it was only a 10 point game.



You're about 2 days too late to this party. One of the most embarrassing videos I've ever seen
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:07 pm to
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You're about 2 days too late to this party. One of the most embarrassing videos I've ever seen


Is that normal for him? It's just odd. The game was early and not out of reach. Is it just frustration for his shooting issues or a recurring issue?
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:12 pm to
I told y'all Bruce told the guys he slept with their moms midway through the Bama game. It's the only explanation.

Stay safe there in Atlanta George and to anyone else in the areas under tornado warning.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 10:13 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:13 pm to
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that normal for him? It's just odd.


No, I can't think of a time I've seen any AU player do that this year until this clip.

Brown isn't known for transition D, but I've never seen him sulk and walk back like this

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. Is it just frustration for his shooting issues or a recurring issue?


I think it was a few things for him and team as well

1. Shooting. He never was 100% and had to keep his arm + foot under treatment. This affected his shot and his game

2. Trust/Passing. With McLemore out + Brown inconsistent, guys not only weren't as open on perimeter but they were more inconsistent. It clearly showed as the amount of passing and hero ball went up drastically

3. Running out of gas as a team. You can only keep up being understaffed, outgunned and overcome things for so long. They just cracked but I don't blame them. Most of the team are 18-19YO
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:36 pm to
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Mack is gonna be a breakout player...He's skilled and has been working hard



Do you mean breakout in that he is new to the scene and does really well?

Or breakout in that he will significantly outperform his TX production
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:38 pm to
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I mean his dunk highlights are cool to look at, but I haven't seen as much skill from him.


He played quite a bit of post for Sacred Heart. I'm sure this year they gave him more guard responsibility, but he is a project at guard for sure

Wood is ultra talented though. Probably take until SO/JR year to reliably see it though

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That doesn't scream player you want to have. His offer list was also not impressive. 


Auburn was very interested in Wood. We backed off due to numbers crunch, not lack of interest

Wood is the type of guy who shows up to a Creighton as an underrecruited steal and by JR/SR makes plays in the tournament
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:49 pm to
Yeah I noticed their last few games he played a lot of Hero Ball and would do that step back move and jack up a bad 3 almost everytime he got the ball.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:50 pm to
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Yeah I highly doubt Fleming gets here and craps the bed


I wouldn't expect him to contribute for most if not all of year 1. It is extremely rare for kids who fit his profile to meaningfully contribute in their first year.

By his JR/SR year though, he could fit a Yante Maten type game if he develops well
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:51 pm to
To be honest I think Auburns collapse still would have happened if McLemore didnt get hurt. They stopped sharing the ball their last few games and all tried to play hero ball and take bad shots. Had no chemistry.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:17 pm to
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Yeah I noticed their last few games he played a lot of Hero Ball and would do that step back move and jack up a bad 3 almost everytime he got the ball.



He's done that all year, he just happened to hit them earlier this year pre injury

The hero ball pandemic spread throughout the team. Mustapha Heron has always been a human black hole while Harper's shot volume increased while his assist rate dramatically decreased


Like I said, I believe it was a trust issue. Our players stopped trusting the kickout open 3FG shooter and started calling their own # . The problem with that is it meant opposing rim protectors never got stretched outside + we got fewer open looks
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:30 pm to
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To be honest I think Auburns collapse still would have happened if McLemore didnt get hurt.


I think Auburn would have struggled/come down from cloud 9, but not nearly to the same degree. The hero ball you saw was in large part a result of McLemore's injury, which was amplified with Brown injured

AU's offense succeeded by putting 4 reliable 3FG shooters on the floor at any one time + offensive rebounding 3FG misses. When McLemore went out, it forced AU to frequently play lineups with only 2-3 3FG shooters + we couldn't risk post player fouls + fatigue so we abandoned ORebs



I think people really underestimate how valuable McLemore is

Led the team in win shares/40min, 3FG% in conf play, block%, true shooting %

He also is at this point in time

#1 SEC all time career shot block%
#8 SEC all time career Box Plus/Minus
#7 SEC all time career defensive Box +/-
#27 SEC All time career Win Shares per 40min
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 3:33 am
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:45 pm to
Thinking of the opposite of hero ball

Anyone else watch the UNC/TAMU game? Their passing was absolutely unreal to make the extra pass to the open man, inside out passing and beating UNC's trap
Posted by IB4bama
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:32 am to
X coach Mark Gottfried seems to have the FBI all over him, and NC State.
Posted by BigBird09
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:43 am to
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I'm skeptical of both. It's highly possible Fleming could be incapable of competing atheletically at this level.



He's not athletic, but he's not really a plodder either. Nick Jacobs was significantly more unathletic, had bad hands, was way less coordinated, a bad rebounder, was the worst defensive post player I've seen and couldn't do much on offense outside of a very nice left handed hook shot (even in HS) and he could still play at this level because of that hook shot. Fleming already has a much more diverse skill set in the post than Jacobs ever had that's boosted by his very impressive foot work, has demonstrated the ability to shoot a midrange shot, and is a very good passer from the post. He's not a shot-blocker, but it's important to point out that according to Fleming when he committed the two things the coaching staff pointed out to him on what they really liked was his passing (we knew that) and his defense, specifically "where he can switch on to guards". While he might not be a vertical athlete, it certainly sounds like he has the athletic ability to stay in front of quicker post players.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 9:46 am
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:33 am to
If a big man has good hands and is reasonably coordinated, he can develop into solid to great post player as long as he meets minimum athleticism thresholds

I'd just say that it may take a couple years to adjust to competition and how to properly utilize skillset against the improved competition
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:37 am to
Aren't we supposed to hear something about Coleman Coliseum this offseason?
Posted by eric4UA08
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:41 am to
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I'd just say that it may take a couple years to adjust to competition and how to properly utilize skillset against the improved competition


It may.. but Galin Smith was adjusted by the end of his first year. Yep, they’re different styles. But no one expected Galin to play like he did at the end of the year.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:49 am to
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It may.. but Galin Smith was adjusted by the end of his first year


I meant more along the lines of being a true offensive weapon with the skills/coordination.

Galin Smith wasn't a liability, which is a success for him or a Fleming by the end of FR year
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:45 pm to
Ole Miss offered Jaykwon Walton. I'm surprised that neither Auburn or Bama have offered him. We should get updated rankings from 247 soonish. It'll be interesting to see where he is.
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