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Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:07 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:07 pm to CrimsonFever
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Yeah cause they play a lot of terrible teams. They have only played two quad 1 games. 8 of their 17 games were against Quad 3 teams.
Well that stuff is adjusted but I'm just explaining to you why they are ahead of Tennessee and Bama.
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:11 pm to rockiee
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Its still crazy the combo of tempo and defense, you have actually passed Gonzaga in that regard.
There are only three teams in the top 20 pace that also have top 30 defenses, Alabama, Gonzaga and Arkansas. Having said that, the first two are very clearly ahead of the last.
In the last two weeks it seems like many teams have done flips on their normal trends. That thread you created on tRant really showcased that. For most of the year Arkansas has leaned more on the their offense but we have done a reverse in that regard.
Yea - we were talking yesterday about how South Carolina is a perfect case study on the fact that the whole pace and defense thing isn't so easy. Martin's teams used to play at average pace and smother you defensively. The last 2-3 years, they've increased pace and their defense has completely fallen apart. And, it's possession based, so it isn't more points but more possessions - on a per possession basis their defense is just much, much worse.
I think that kind of stuff has a whole lot to do with why guys like Cal are so slow to adopt any type of running and gunning unless they have very specific rosters that they trust (Cal went fast in 2017 with Monk, Fox, Briscoe and Bam and in 2010 with Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe and Patterson - both teams that were long, athletic an had ball handlers and finishers he trusted).
It's a really interesting dynamic.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:11 pm to rockiee
My argument was that Tennessee shouldnt be above us, they aren't in any other rankings I've seen aside from the NET. Someone said it was because of our quad 2 and quad 3 losses and I pointed out that Houston also has Quad 2 and Quad 3 loses and are above Tennessee.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:12 pm to CrimsonFever
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My argument was that Tennessee shouldnt be above us, they aren't in any other rankings I've seen aside from the NET. Someone said it was because of our quad 2 and quad 3 losses and I pointed out that Houston also has Quad 2 and Quad 3 loses and are above Tennessee.
Yea, but I mean it's a math formula, so it kind of is what it spits out.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Team Value Index is based on game results. It factors opponent, location and the winner, which produces a Team Value Index score.
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Net Efficiency
Net Efficiency is a calculation of offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency.
The formula for offensive efficiency is set up as follows:
Field goal attempts minus offenisve rebounds plus turnovers plus (.475 x free-throw attempts) = total number of possessions
Total points divided by total number of possessions. The number produced represents a team's offensive effiency.
The formula for defensive efficiency is set up as follows:
Opponent's field goal attempts minus opponent's offenisve rebounds plus opponent's turnovers plus (.475 x opponent's free-throw attempts) equals total number of opponent's possessions
Opponent's total points is divided by opponent's total number of possessions. The number produced represents a team's defensive effiency.
Offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency equals a team's Net Efficiency.
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Winning Percentage
Wins divided by total games played equals a team's winning percentage.
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Adjusted Win Percentage
This metric is a weighted value based on location and result.
Road Win: +1.4
Neutral Win: +1.0
Home Win: +0.6
Road Loss: -0.6
Neutral Loss: -1.0
Home Loss: -1.4
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Scoring Margin
This value has a point differential capped at 10 points in each game. All overtime games are capped at one point.
Scoring Margin equals team score minus an opponent's score.
I think they removed some of this stuff but cant remember.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:16 pm to CrimsonFever
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My argument was that Tennessee shouldnt be above us, they aren't in any other rankings I've seen aside from the NET. Someone said it was because of our quad 2 and quad 3 losses and I pointed out that Houston also has Quad 2 and Quad 3 loses and are above Tennessee.
I understand but I'm trying to explain that Houston can get away with those losses more because of their eff numbers. Bama and Tennessse are closer to each other in that regard than Houston is.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though because although NET might have them higher, I don't think anyone on the committee truly thinks that Tennessee deserves a higher seed than Bama as of right now.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think they removed some of this stuff but cant remember.
I was actually trying to figure this out this morning. I'm not sure if it was just this year because of Covid or something that was happening anyway.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I know, but I much prefer Ken Pom, they have Tennessee 12th which is about where they should be. The AP and Coaches poll have Tennessee at 16, the net rankings having them at 8th is the outlier.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:21 pm to CrimsonFever
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I know, but I much prefer Ken Pom, they have Tennessee 12th which is about where they should be. The AP and Coaches poll have Tennessee at 16, the net rankings having them at 8th is the outlier.
Personally, I don't like including efficiencies in any sort of "resume ranking" system. The NET ought to be a measure of your wins and losses, not how you've played games. I think it's fine to also use KenPom or something, but meshing them together is not something I like very much.
Missouri, for example, gets absolutely shafted in the NET because of their efficiencies. Now, it's fair to say "Missouri may not be as good as their record" if you want, but to discount their actual record because of efficiencies in a resume ranking like NET seems really silly to me.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Personally, I don't like including efficiencies in any sort of "resume ranking" system
100%
That is the exact reason I cringe any time someone tries to use Kenpom as a ranking tool or discredit Kenpom because a 15-12 big 10 team is too high.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Missouri, for example, gets absolutely shafted in the NET because of their efficiencies. Now, it's fair to say "Missouri may not be as good as their record" if you want, but to discount their actual record because of efficiencies in a resume ranking like NET seems really silly to me.
I agree. If you’re going to use NET for quadrants though, it should include a measure of how good the team actually is I think.
There should a quality metric and a resume metric that uses the quality metric to judge your opponents. A Q1 win should be based on the quality ranking of the opponent.
Quite frankly, I hate the “best teams” nonsense in football and basketball.
If I’m betting on a game, give me efficiency metrics. If I’m deciding who should make a tournament, your record and strength of schedule.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 3:08 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Quite frankly, I hate the “best teams” nonsense in football and basketball.
If I’m betting on a game, give me efficiency metrics. If I’m deciding who should make a tournament, your record and strength of schedule.
Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly. Ding ding frickin ding.
Efficiency metrics for deciding who I think will win a game. Resume results for who has earned a spot in a game or in a ranking.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 6:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
#7 Texas Tech lost last night.
#9 Virginia plays Georgia Tech which should be a close game.
#8 Houston is tied with USF currently
#10 Mizzou plays Ole Miss, Ole Miss is favored
We are 11th. Would be nice for one or two of those to lose so we can move up.
Iowa who is ahead of us in Ken Pom plays #25 Rutgers.
#9 Virginia plays Georgia Tech which should be a close game.
#8 Houston is tied with USF currently
#10 Mizzou plays Ole Miss, Ole Miss is favored
We are 11th. Would be nice for one or two of those to lose so we can move up.
Iowa who is ahead of us in Ken Pom plays #25 Rutgers.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 6:51 pm to CrimsonFever
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Mizzou plays Ole Miss, Ole Miss is favored
This is the only one I care about losing. That would make Bama's magic #4 games for the regular season title
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:00 pm to Che Boludo
I'm a huge Ole Miss fan tonight.
I would love for Houston and or Virginia to lose too, the more teams ahead of us that lose the better seed we can get as long as we keep winning.
I would love for Houston and or Virginia to lose too, the more teams ahead of us that lose the better seed we can get as long as we keep winning.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:25 pm to CrimsonFever
Our next opponent, Georgia, is on a 3 game winning streak, but tonight is their first game against a ranked opponent all year, Tennessee.
They are trailing early, yet at the moment, hanging in there.
They are trailing early, yet at the moment, hanging in there.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:33 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:34 pm to East Coast Band
Yeah Im watching that on one my computer and Virginia vs GT on TV.
Waiting on Mizzou vs Ole Miss to start. Go Rebs!!!
Waiting on Mizzou vs Ole Miss to start. Go Rebs!!!
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:35 pm to CrimsonFever
I hate his Tagline for Oats.
I would have went with Nate Oats:Blue Collar or Alabama Basketball: Blue Collar or something like that
I would have went with Nate Oats:Blue Collar or Alabama Basketball: Blue Collar or something like that
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:38 pm to CrimsonFever
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Virginia vs GT on TV.
Their record might not reflect it but Tech is a solid squad this year
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