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Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:18 pm to Night Vision
I’m talking about their situations. They Are nothing alike. Ty had every opportunity to take the QB spot and didn’t, unlike tua who came in behind an established starter
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:25 pm to Vidic
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unlike tua who came in behind an established starter
The situation in question is how certain decisions are made or not made. Hurts should have been benched during the MSU game and if not then he should have been benched during the barn game.
We barely won the MSU game and we lost the barn game. The natty game was just about out of reach when the change was made.
This is not the only example since CNS has been here.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:32 pm to Vidic
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Ty had every opportunity to take the QB spot and didn
I'd say neither did Milroe and the only reason he was named the starter is because he's been around longer.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:47 pm to Teague
I’d say there is no reason to believe that but we obviously have our own opinions 
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:23 pm to Vidic
To think that Milroe and Simpson were neck and neck in practice/camp and that Milroe 's seniority was the deciding factor when Simpson couldn't even beat out Buchner in fall camp is hard to wrap the mind around.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:40 pm to Teague
It’s amazing to me how critical you all can be over every single negative thing Milroe does yet completely overlook Simpson’s faults.
Tell me what you see in Simpson based on what he’s displayed so far? I’ve personally seen nothing. Zero. Nothing gives me confidence based on his performances in limited time so far.
He’s done nothing to inspire such confidence yet folks guarantee we’d be a better team with him. Based on what I’ve seen I feel the complete opposite.
You think Ty Simpson is beating A&M on the road? Did you see Simpson at South Florida? Come on now.
When Tua entered a game in any scenario he lit it up. We all could clearly see he was a star. I’ve never seen anything remotely close to that with Ty. You’re all just assuming because he’s a more prototypical 5 star QB.
We saw a lot of the same ppl claiming Alabama would be way better off with Barnett as QB over Hurts mid season of 2016. Barnett was trash yet folks swore he was better.
Maybe Ty develops into a great QB like Mac did but he isn’t ready. Just like Mac wasn’t close to being ready as a RS FR.
Tell me what you see in Simpson based on what he’s displayed so far? I’ve personally seen nothing. Zero. Nothing gives me confidence based on his performances in limited time so far.
He’s done nothing to inspire such confidence yet folks guarantee we’d be a better team with him. Based on what I’ve seen I feel the complete opposite.
You think Ty Simpson is beating A&M on the road? Did you see Simpson at South Florida? Come on now.
When Tua entered a game in any scenario he lit it up. We all could clearly see he was a star. I’ve never seen anything remotely close to that with Ty. You’re all just assuming because he’s a more prototypical 5 star QB.
We saw a lot of the same ppl claiming Alabama would be way better off with Barnett as QB over Hurts mid season of 2016. Barnett was trash yet folks swore he was better.
Maybe Ty develops into a great QB like Mac did but he isn’t ready. Just like Mac wasn’t close to being ready as a RS FR.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:40 pm to EGO3x
You can't tell them nothing. Misery loves a company.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:45 pm to PBD4BAMA
Does Rees not have confidence in Milroe running slants or does Rees refuse to dial them up?
Several games this year I've noticed the slant is there to take advantage of the defense but rarely called. I just don't understand it!
Several games this year I've noticed the slant is there to take advantage of the defense but rarely called. I just don't understand it!
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:53 pm to EGO3x
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It’s amazing to me how critical you all can be over every single negative thing Milroe does yet completely overlook Simpson’s faults.
Tell me what you see in Simpson based on what he’s displayed so far? I’ve personally seen nothing. Zero. Nothing gives me confidence based on his performances in limited time so far.
He’s done nothing to inspire such confidence yet folks guarantee we’d be a better team with him. Based on what I’ve seen I feel the complete opposite.
You think Ty Simpson is beating A&M on the road? Did you see Simpson at South Florida? Come on now.
When Tua entered a game in any scenario he lit it up. We all could clearly see he was a star. I’ve never seen anything remotely close to that with Ty. You’re all just assuming because he’s a more prototypical 5 star QB.
We saw a lot of the same ppl claiming Alabama would be way better off with Barnett as QB over Hurts mid season of 2016. Barnett was trash yet folks swore he was better.
Maybe Ty develops into a great QB like Mac did but he isn’t ready. Just like Mac wasn’t close to being ready as a RS FR.
I guess if you only look at numbers and not reality, Milroe is great and Ty was terrible against USF. But, it's not that simple.
What is Milroe good at? Throwing the deep ball? Anything else AT ALL? Reading the defense? Calling out protections? Changing plays? Recognizing and throwing behind a blitz? Moving in the pocket? Avoiding sacks? Run/pass option? Literally anything? No. He has a strong arm and an extra year of experience on the guys that might challenge him. I wanted him to be good. I think the other guys would have progressed more, if given the chance.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:00 pm to PBD4BAMA
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Does Rees not have confidence in Milroe running slants or does Rees refuse to dial them up?
Several games this year I've noticed the slant is there to take advantage of the defense but rarely called. I just don't understand it!
Milroe can't make a decision quick enough to throw a slant. If he did throw quick he'd probably be throwing blind right to a robber safety or a zone drop linebacker.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:27 pm to Teague
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What is Milroe good at?
Lets make an honest list.
Deep ball
Top speed
Tough/takes a sack well
Not sure what else goes on the list. To be honest he is overrated as a deep ball thrower. He has arm strength. But he doesnt have great touch on it. The deep ball to Prentice was really ugly. Burton has made some really nice catches on most of the other ones.
The TD throw to Niblack against Arkansas was as good as he has looked as a passer. He was in rythym. The throw was on time and on the money. I'll bet he even had proper footwork. I want him to look like that just half the time.
But the biggest problem with Jalen Milroe is he is not using his legs. He is running less than Bryce Young. I dont know what the deal with that is but everyone should get the blame for that fail. Even if he is shite at running the zone read, call some QB draws. We have had success with them but it doesnt get called very often. Run that QB power that Tebow and Cam always ran. Milroe should be playing like Lamar Jackson, but instead he looks like Star Jackson.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:35 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
He needs to run more. If he starts doing that, he will be a lot better with his current throwing. I’m serious, that one thing changes the field.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:48 pm to Diego Ricardo
Ultimately, I feel like our QB situation is roughly where we were with Jacob Coker in 2015 heading into TSIO. I get the feeling, we're going to find out whether he can do some things to win a game in the 4th quarter or find out we're going to Citrus Bowl or similar.
People forget how god awful Jacob Coker looked in the first 7 games of 2015. He was taking awful sacks. He was throwing boneheaded interceptions and should-have-been interceptions. His completion percentage was not terrible but it got worse the more he was asked to do in the passing game. The OL's pass protection was iffy at times too.
The big difference between 2015 and this season is Derrick Henry. He was having a great season but it around this point in the season where the staff decided he was man enough to average 30+ touches a game and committed to doing just that.
We don't have a guy like that at tailback but I imagine that the key to this offense scoring in the 30s instead of the 20s is going to be the OL getting a hat on a hat and the 4-headed tailback rotation + Milroe averaging 200 yards rushing per game.
I don't think Coker got a ton better - he did improve and play his best ball late - but the offense got better suited at letting him hit shots and easy throws because of the commitment to Henry. Similarly, I don't think Milroe is going to have some mid-season revelation where he becomes Tua out of nowhere. The improvement in Milroe's production is going to come with the improvement of everyone else out there.
People forget how god awful Jacob Coker looked in the first 7 games of 2015. He was taking awful sacks. He was throwing boneheaded interceptions and should-have-been interceptions. His completion percentage was not terrible but it got worse the more he was asked to do in the passing game. The OL's pass protection was iffy at times too.
The big difference between 2015 and this season is Derrick Henry. He was having a great season but it around this point in the season where the staff decided he was man enough to average 30+ touches a game and committed to doing just that.
We don't have a guy like that at tailback but I imagine that the key to this offense scoring in the 30s instead of the 20s is going to be the OL getting a hat on a hat and the 4-headed tailback rotation + Milroe averaging 200 yards rushing per game.
I don't think Coker got a ton better - he did improve and play his best ball late - but the offense got better suited at letting him hit shots and easy throws because of the commitment to Henry. Similarly, I don't think Milroe is going to have some mid-season revelation where he becomes Tua out of nowhere. The improvement in Milroe's production is going to come with the improvement of everyone else out there.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:17 pm to EGO3x
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It’s amazing to me how critical you all can be over every single negative thing Milroe does yet completely overlook Simpson’s faults
Simpson’s faults don’t really matter unless JM gets hurt since we are riding with Milroe. Being concerned with the starting QB’s glaring deficiencies is pretty standard fare. I see a lot of the same issues and bad habits going all the way back to the A&M start last year. Unless we start to see some real strides with footwork and accuracy, it is a matter of time until we have too many mistakes to overcome. The real concern may be next year, when we do have a superior talent coming in(hopefully) Saban’s history of sticking with an underperforming starter is concerning.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:33 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Ultimately, I feel like our QB situation is roughly where we were with Jacob Coker in 2015 heading into TSIO. I get the feeling, we're going to find out whether he can do some things to win a game in the 4th quarter or find out we're going to Citrus Bowl or similar.
He basically already did this against TAMU.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
slants with inaccurate passer is a pick 6 waiting to happen .. plus we dont have posession receiver who never drops balls like Norwood
I am sure CNS has vetoed some of the things which can be called
I am sure CNS has vetoed some of the things which can be called
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:36 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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The TD throw to Niblack against Arkansas was as good as he has looked as a passer. He was in rythym. The throw was on time and on the money. I'll bet he even had proper footwork. I want him to look like that just half the time.
From the analysis I have read, that ball should not have been thrown
Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:48 pm to LaneB
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From the analysis I have read, that ball should not have been thrown
it would not surpise me one bit if he made the wrong read. But Niblack was pretty wide open i thought.Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:46 am to 1BamaRTR
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He most likely runs much faster than a 4.64. Problem he only has straight line speed. He’s not very agile/has little lateral quickness. Also bad field vision
I think he’s a solid 4.4 guy.
The issue is by the time his brain tells him to run, he’s sat too long waiting to process and the defenders are already on him and often he has a spy waiting to clean it up if they miss because the opposing DC doesn’t respect our short/midrange passing game.
Right now he’s year two Jalen Hurts with a much better deep touch and less decisiveness as a runner.
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