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Adjust the NCAA Football All Time Alabama Crimson Tide Team
Posted on 1/15/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/15/20 at 2:18 pm
The All Time Teams for the NCAA Football series, seemed to stop around the late 00s.... so almost appropriately enough, right before Nick Saban.
So using the Pre-Nick Saban, All Time Alabama team, give me an updated version.
Rule: You cannot add spots, you can only remove, replace, or switch positions slots.
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ALL-ALABAMA 1892-2007
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QB 12 Joe Namath
12 Kenny Stabler
7 Jay Barker
HB 22 Johnny Musso
26 Bobby Humphrey
99 Pooley Hubert
58 Dixie Howell
37 Shaun Alexander
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
25 Dennis Homan
84 David Bailey
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
12 Paul Bryant
T 60 Chris Samuels
20 Don Whitmire
63 Jim Bunch
48 Fred Sington
G 73 John Hannah
70 Robert Pettee
73 Billy Neighbors
65 Buddy Brown
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
41 Vaughn Mancha
DE 94 John Copeland
98 Leroy Cook
80 Eric Curry
86 Keith McCants
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
78 Jon Hand
96 Jarret Johnson
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
87 Dwayne Rudd
39 E.J. Junior
MLB 54 Lee Roy Jordan
77 Barry Krauss
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
28 Don McNeal
43 Antonio Langham
34 Mike Washington
FS 15 Tommy Wilcox
37 Bobby Johns
SS 52 Harry Gilmer
13 George Teague
K 3 Van Tiffin
P 8 Greg Gantt
So using the Pre-Nick Saban, All Time Alabama team, give me an updated version.
Rule: You cannot add spots, you can only remove, replace, or switch positions slots.
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ALL-ALABAMA 1892-2007
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QB 12 Joe Namath
12 Kenny Stabler
7 Jay Barker
HB 22 Johnny Musso
26 Bobby Humphrey
99 Pooley Hubert
58 Dixie Howell
37 Shaun Alexander
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
25 Dennis Homan
84 David Bailey
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
12 Paul Bryant
T 60 Chris Samuels
20 Don Whitmire
63 Jim Bunch
48 Fred Sington
G 73 John Hannah
70 Robert Pettee
73 Billy Neighbors
65 Buddy Brown
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
41 Vaughn Mancha
DE 94 John Copeland
98 Leroy Cook
80 Eric Curry
86 Keith McCants
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
78 Jon Hand
96 Jarret Johnson
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
87 Dwayne Rudd
39 E.J. Junior
MLB 54 Lee Roy Jordan
77 Barry Krauss
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
28 Don McNeal
43 Antonio Langham
34 Mike Washington
FS 15 Tommy Wilcox
37 Bobby Johns
SS 52 Harry Gilmer
13 George Teague
K 3 Van Tiffin
P 8 Greg Gantt
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/16/20 at 5:45 am to Lordofwrath88
Most of that roster outside of half the OL and surprisingly the LB group would change IMO.
Id also say that if that team played the all Saban era team I think the current era wins.
Guys who would stay IMO
-Namath
-Alexander
-Ozzie
-Samuels
-Stephenson
-Hannah
-Thomas
-Bennett
-Jordan
-Tiffin
Couple others are borderline, but I would give the edge to current era guys slightly.
Id also say that if that team played the all Saban era team I think the current era wins.
Guys who would stay IMO
-Namath
-Alexander
-Ozzie
-Samuels
-Stephenson
-Hannah
-Thomas
-Bennett
-Jordan
-Tiffin
Couple others are borderline, but I would give the edge to current era guys slightly.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:12 am to tide06
I'd hate that job if I even remotely thought it's possible to do. Every one of us has our Alabama heroes we grew up with. Games that caught our imagination. A family we saw them with. It's never going away. No matter how many great LBers coach Saban recruits, "Biscuit" destroying the Notre Dame QB in B'ham. will always be there. Especially after so much gridiron futility with that particular team. Derrick Thomas's sack fest against Penn State literally won that game single-handed. Lee Roy Jodan's games where he makes almost every tackle. Who's rising higher than those guys? Not on my list. How many of us followed Woodrow Lowe's great career?
Tua, Burrows, Lawrence, Fields, would shite their pants waiting for guys to get open in Ken Stabler/Joe Willie's era of football. No gaps in the offensive line. They played football in a phonebooth. No hurry up to confuse tired defenses, no rules about leading with your helmets, linemen going straight for the knees and even after a good second and then some after you get rid of the ball those behemoths would still destroy you.
When some jerkwater geek put up a stat line of Tua's passing stats this season vs Joe Willie's career at Bama, Gary Danielson immediately apologized. Saying the stat geek was just young and didn't know any better.
Well, folks, the "prisoner's of the moment" will always quickly go to the stat sheet and say look at the difference, he had to be better. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth.
Tua, Burrows, Lawrence, Fields, would shite their pants waiting for guys to get open in Ken Stabler/Joe Willie's era of football. No gaps in the offensive line. They played football in a phonebooth. No hurry up to confuse tired defenses, no rules about leading with your helmets, linemen going straight for the knees and even after a good second and then some after you get rid of the ball those behemoths would still destroy you.
When some jerkwater geek put up a stat line of Tua's passing stats this season vs Joe Willie's career at Bama, Gary Danielson immediately apologized. Saying the stat geek was just young and didn't know any better.
Well, folks, the "prisoner's of the moment" will always quickly go to the stat sheet and say look at the difference, he had to be better. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:13 am to tide06
This is going to sound like recency bias, but I think AJ McCarron and Tua would join Namath, dropping the Snake and easily Barker.
Tua speaks for himself.
As for McCarron... if not for the kick-six, we'd be looking at a potential 4-time national champion (3 as a starter), Maxwell winner, All-American, and Heisman.
Tua speaks for himself.
As for McCarron... if not for the kick-six, we'd be looking at a potential 4-time national champion (3 as a starter), Maxwell winner, All-American, and Heisman.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:56 am to ATLabama
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This is going to sound like recency bias, but I think AJ McCarron and Tua would join Namath, dropping the Snake
If you want a more level field, why don't you compare Joe Willie and Ken Stablers Super bowl champion/HOF career with the bench time McCarron is accumulating with his 3rd or 4th NFL team? The difference in arm talent alone is incomparable. You are talking about 2 QBs who aren't just legends at Bama but legends of football period.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:09 am to bamameister
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If you want a more level field, why don't you compare Joe Willie and Ken Stablers Super bowl champion/HOF career with the bench time McCarron is accumulating with his 3rd or 4th NFL team?
That's changing the whole discussion. I have yet to see guys in an Alabama uniform playing in a Super Bowl or any other NFL game.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:19 am to bamameister
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If you want a more level field, why don't you compare Joe Willie and Ken Stablers Super bowl champion/HOF career with the bench time McCarron is accumulating with his 3rd or 4th NFL team?
This is the Alabama all-time team. Not the "Alabama in the pros" all-time team.
With your logic, Tim Tebow wouldn't make any list at the University of Florida.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:35 am to ATLabama
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This is the Alabama all-time team. Not the "Alabama in the pros" all-time team.
With your logic, Tim Tebow wouldn't make any list at the University of Florida.
Are you under the impression that Namath and Stabler were chopped liver at Alabama? Both champions and won a ton of games. I've never seen anyone with a stronger and more accurate arm than Joe Willie. He was 2 healthy knees from being considered the GOAT in the NFL. Tom Brady couldn't throw with him. Tua has great accuracy and quick release but not that same arm strength or leadership.
Save the Heisman for all the prisoners of the moment. The measuring stick for these 2 Bama QBs will always be about a lot more. And McCarron is simply not better. Not then, not now.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:51 pm to Lordofwrath88
My adjustments in italics:
QB 12 Joe Namath
AJ McCarron
Tua Taigovailoa
HB 22 Johnny Musso
37 Shaun Alexander
Derrick Henry
Mark Ingram
Trent Richardson
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
Amari Cooper
Jerry Jeudy
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
OJ Howard
T 60 Chris Samuels
48 Fred Sington
Andre Smith
Cam Robinson
G 73 John Hannah
73 Billy Neighbors
Barrett Jones
Chance Warmack
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
Ryan Kelly
DE 94 John Copeland
80 Eric Curry
Keith McCants
Jonathan Allen
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
Quinnen Williams
Terrence Cody
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
39 E.J. Junior
Courtney Upshaw
MLB Rolando McClain
CJ Mosley
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
43 Antonio Langham
Dee Milliner
Javier Arenas
FS Minkah Fitzpatrick
HaHa Clinton-Dix
SS 13 George Teague
Mark Barron
K Phillip Doyle
P JK Scott
QB 12 Joe Namath
AJ McCarron
Tua Taigovailoa
HB 22 Johnny Musso
37 Shaun Alexander
Derrick Henry
Mark Ingram
Trent Richardson
FB 80 Wilbur Jackson
57 Johnny Cain
38 Johnny Davis
WR 14 Don Hutson
2 David Palmer
Amari Cooper
Jerry Jeudy
TE 82 Ozzie Newsome
OJ Howard
T 60 Chris Samuels
48 Fred Sington
Andre Smith
Cam Robinson
G 73 John Hannah
73 Billy Neighbors
Barrett Jones
Chance Warmack
C 57 Dwight Stephenson
Ryan Kelly
DE 94 John Copeland
80 Eric Curry
Keith McCants
Jonathan Allen
DT 91 Bob Baumhower
93 Marty Lyons
Quinnen Williams
Terrence Cody
OLB 55 Derrick Thomas
47 Woodrow Lowe
97 Cornelius Bennett
39 E.J. Junior
Courtney Upshaw
MLB Rolando McClain
CJ Mosley
CB 19 Jeremiah Castille
43 Antonio Langham
Dee Milliner
Javier Arenas
FS Minkah Fitzpatrick
HaHa Clinton-Dix
SS 13 George Teague
Mark Barron
K Phillip Doyle
P JK Scott
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:48 pm to OldPete
Pretty good list. Why do you have Wilbur Jackson at Fullback?
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:48 pm to bamameister
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Pretty good list. Why do you have Wilbur Jackson at Fullback?
I don’t...he was in the OP’s original list and I left it alone (my additions/changes are the ones in italics). I did wonder about that myself as I saw at least a couple of games in ‘73 and didn’t recall Jackson lining up at FB, recall seeing him as one of the HBs. But I looked up a preseason roster and they did have him listed as a FB...but if I recall Ellis Beck was the starting FB. I’ll go back and watch my ‘73 Bama-Tennessee video and see where all they lined him up...
Wilbur Jackson was one of my favorite Bama RBs when I was growing up. If Bear hadn’t shuttled so many backs in and out, he could’ve had a couple of thousand yard seasons. I think he still holds the Bama record for career yards per carry...
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:02 pm to OldPete
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I don’t...he was in the OP’s original list and I left it alone (my additions/changes are the ones in italics). I did wonder about that myself as I saw at least a couple of games in ‘73 and didn’t recall Jackson lining up at FB, recall seeing him as one of the HBs. But I looked up a preseason roster and they did have him listed as a FB...but if I recall Ellis Beck was the starting FB. I’ll go back and watch my ‘73 Bama-Tennessee video and see where all they lined him up...
Wilbur Jackson was one of my favorite Bama RBs when I was growing up. If Bear hadn’t shuttled so many backs in and out, he could’ve had a couple of thousand yard seasons. I think he still holds the Bama record for career yards per carry...
I believe that '73' game is where Wilbur does that 360 spin move and takes it to the house. Wilbur, I believe still has the all-time yards-per-carry at Alabama. He was a halfback in the bone.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:32 pm to bamameister
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I believe that '73' game is where Wilbur does that 360 spin move and takes it to the house.
Yep, that’s the one...and you’re right, he was an HB that play (and every other play I can recall where he carried the ball). That was an awesome game. First play, Rutledge goes play action and hits Wayne Wheeler deep for an 80 yard TD. Tied at 21 going into the fourth, Bama scores 21 unanswered, starting with Robin Cary’s punt return and ending with Jackson’s 80 yard scamper...
That ‘73 team was explosive as hell...if we hadn’t choked away that Sugar Bowl to ND, that would’ve been one of the all time great teams...
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:58 pm to OldPete
Great adjust. I think I would subtract a FB slot and add Julio to the WR corp
Posted on 1/17/20 at 6:17 pm to Lordofwrath88
Sorry, but you lost me at Jay Barker. Couldn't throw a football in the ocean standing at high tide.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 6:27 pm to Lordofwrath88
First, awesome thread idea. I’m busy as hell or I’d give my take.
But quick question.
Why are there so many outside linebackers listed and only 2 middle linebackers?
But quick question.
Why are there so many outside linebackers listed and only 2 middle linebackers?
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