re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)

I dont even gove a shite....Id start Lawson on Saturday. At least he gives effort.


I think their is/has been some jealousy from Ingram/Key towards Collin this whole season. They probably dont give a shite about the team.

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start Lawson on Saturday

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Me and like one other dude on here have been calling for him to get some actual minutes for at least two years. He's a better player than just a walk-on, garbage time, last 40 seconds kind of guy. Although Jr. has played above my expectations lately, I think Lawson is as good or better. I like the way he runs the offense.

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Exactly. We have many fans who are willing to jump up and defend Collin because he's a hell of a player. That doesn't mean he's not harmful to the locker room with some of the things he does. He certainly doesn't lack confidence but again I could see that swagger combined with preferential treatment being an issue with the older guys.

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I jump up and defend him because of things like this. Not that his action was preferable or correct, but that the fact that those actions come out of a deep and burning desire to compete and win.

Frankly it's a lot like a guy like Baker Mayfield or Jonny Manziel. Those guys did things that were over the top and should have been toned down, but they did them because they lost control of their intense competitive spirit.

Like I said before, I'll take 12 of those guys and go to war anyday. Our program has been filled with meek, shy players who cowered in the corner when things got difficult for 20 frickin years. We need an influx of guys who don't give a shite who they are playing, what the score is or whether they are expected to play well. We need guys whose sole purpose in life is to beat and humiliate the guy across from him for 40 minutes.

Collin is one of those guys. I'll take a few bad moments for the nonstop intensity and competitive spirit he brings. And if other guys have a problem with that then they are the problem.

As Coach Saban says, "Mediocre people hate high achievers".

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but I believe there are bigger contributors to our problems right now.

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The consensus from the fans seems to be that Ingram has issue with Sexton. It's on the coach to manage the personalities and egos on a team. Avery isn't good at doing that.

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It's on the coach to manage the personalities and egos on a team. Avery isn't good at doing that.

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I think Avery has more issues than just one or two players not getting along.

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If we had football players that drew attention to themselves the way Collin does, Saban would have them on the bench real quick. His antics don't benefit the team and in the end, no matter how competitive he is, they don't generate energy for those around him.

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Coach Saban would have found a way to separate those actions and keep the competitive fire. There is a reason Saban had effusive praise for Manziel and his competitiveness. That doesn't mean Saban would have accepted Manziel's antics, but it means there is something there that you can't teach or make someone do - and Saban knows that. So, again, that falls on Avery. And Saban has had kids do things like Collin does, and he's found a way to harness that (for the most part) while not dampening the competitive fire of the player.

Did you watch Tony Brown? Ronnie Harrison? Ryan Anderson his first few years?

Again, I'll take Collin's overall attitude and demeanor over everybody else in our program every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Did you watch Tony Brown? Ronnie Harrison? Ryan Anderson his first few years?

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I didn't watch Tony Brown because Saban had him on the bench until he learned to control himself and stay out of Saban's doghouse.

Whatever the reasons are for any internal or locker room issues, whoever is to blame, the end of the story is that Avery is responsible for managing that and being the Alpha Dog.

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I didn't watch Tony Brown because Saban had him on the bench until he learned to control himself and stay out of Saban's doghouse.

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Ronnie Harrison?

Point is - Saban did demand those things be controlled. He also looks for and covets the hell out of the place inside where it comes from.

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Yea, like I said last night, I just fail to care very much at this point.