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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:18 am to GenesChin
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:18 am to GenesChin
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Except RPI rank clearly doesn't mean shite as far as seeding.
Except an RPI of 64 would be tied with Marquette in 2011 for the 2nd worst among teams to make the field since the RPI changed in 2005. Marquette was the 5th to last team in as an 11-seed. The highest was 67, which also occurred that year with USC. They were in the last 4 in. That was a year where 5 of the 6 teams to ever get an at-large bid with 14 losses made it into the tournament (a very down year). There's no way if the tournament was selected today that UF would be a 7-seed.
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Rhode Island, Wichita and Nevada all were left off the top 16 teams despite all being top 16 RPI while OU made it in
You are comparing small differences in RPI and mid-majors to high-majors. I'm comparing 2 high-major schools with a difference 36 slots in the RPI (we're now 28th).
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Cincy/Gonzaga is more impressive than home v TN/AU right now.
Escaping Gonzaga and Cincy at neutral sites is impressive. Beating Auburn, even at home, without one of, if not the best, players in the conference and thwarting UT by 28 pts, even at home, are superior wins IMO. I get that those things don't change RPI, but it's still something the committee won't miss.
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They have worse bad losses, but they have more "quality losses " than Bama.
Florida's best losses: Neutral Duke (RPI 4), @UT (RPI 11), Neutral Clemson (RPI 12), Home Alabama (RPI 28), Home Arkansas (RPI 34), Home Florida State (RPI 45).
Alabama's best losses:
@Arizona (RPI 17), @Auburn (RPI 6), @UK (RPI 16), Home Missouri (RPI 41), @MissState (RPI 63), Home Texas (RPI 54)
Considering only one of those losses for UF were true road games, this is very comparable.
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There is a reason they have a higher SOR by about 10 spots as they've played more NCAAT teams
They've barely played more (like 1 maybe 2). There's also a reason they are 36 spots lower in the RPI.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 8:48 am
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:18 am to Gary Busey
The article quoted an Atlanta Attorney experienced in representing schools before the ncaa--he said its not a violation to meet with an agent, but the question is who pays for the meal. You just cant sign with an agent. (Langham and the napkin)
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:19 am to IB4bama
I think program-crippling sanctions are actually worth getting a 9 seed in the NCAAT. #ALLIN
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:22 am to FairhopeTider
RPI up to #28. This is the roughly the highest RPI we've had since early December.
Go figure.
Go figure.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:29 am to FairhopeTider
I talked with a good source about this. Said Bama did everything they could possibly do when meeting with the NCAA earlier this year to make sure we were following the rules. He thinks this may be sort of the same situation that was already handled
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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RPI up to #28. This is the roughly the highest RPI we've had since early December.
Go figure.
Just win 2 of the next 3 and we're locked. I'm worried about how Arkansas can push the ball up court and their tempo.
Good news is that they don't look like they rebound, and Arkansas fans have said Anderson's team are terrible at transition D.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:45 am to Bamafan15
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He thinks this may be sort of the same situation that was already handled
From what I've read, it certainly sounds like the same thing.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:48 am to Gary Busey
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Just win 2 of the next 3 and we're locked. I'm worried about how Arkansas can push the ball up court and their tempo. Good news is that they don't look like they rebound, and Arkansas fans have said Anderson's team are terrible at transition D.
I'd love to be wrong, but this is setting up for a classic Alabama melt loss, followed by a win over Florida and a loss at A&M.
I want to be wrong so, so badly.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
Even of that scenario plays out, I think we can still get in if we win a game in think the SECT. Of course the crazy thing is, Florida has been playing so awful as of late, you just know their "coming out" game will be against us.
Despite that, Avery really has no excuse to not make it in.
Despite that, Avery really has no excuse to not make it in.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:53 am to Gary Busey
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Even of that scenario plays out, I think we can still get in if we win a game in think the SECT. Of course the crazy thing is, Florida has been playing so awful as of late, you just know their "coming out" game will be against us.
Despite that, Avery really has no excuse to not make it in.
If we just win one more game in the regular season, we should have a decent chance at an NCAAT bid.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:55 am to BigBird09
I think so too, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with 19 wins.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:57 am to BigBird09
If we just gut out the next 2 we aren't even sweating on Selection Sunday.
Well, we shouldn't be. All of us will be because we understand this program, but an impartial observer would look at it and say we are easily in as a 8-9 seed.
Well, we shouldn't be. All of us will be because we understand this program, but an impartial observer would look at it and say we are easily in as a 8-9 seed.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:00 am to IB4bama
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The article quoted an Atlanta Attorney experienced in representing schools before the ncaa--he said its not a violation to meet with an agent, but the question is who pays for the meal. You just cant sign with an agent. (Langham and the napkin)
Even if this isn't the same meal they already payed back, I'd bet with this number of players being accused of taking thousands of dollars, that the Collins family could just pay back the meal and be fine. I'd hope that this isn't a separate incident, because if they didn't already pay every meal they received back after his son was ruled ineligible, that's not a very smart family.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
Where do you guys stand with Avery if we're sort of in the same boat next year? Obviously we're in no position to release a coach who takes us to back-to-back tournament appearances- and quite frankly, sign me the frick up if that happens. But as fans, do you think he can honestly take us to that next level? We had a 20+ game losing streak to top 25 ranked opponents before Avery, and now we're like 10-9 in less than 3 years. Conversely, Avery has shown tendencies to lose costly games to opponents we should have won against. As a program, there's no reason we shouldn't demand excellence if we can recruit at a high level and beat quality opponents. To me, he seems like the type of coach who can lay a solid foundation for your program going forward, but can't seem to take that "next step". Obviously way too early, but JMO.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:08 am to Gary Busey
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Where do you guys stand with Avery if we're sort of in the same boat next year? Obviously we're in no position to release a coach who takes us to back-to-back tournament appearances- and quite frankly, sign me the frick up if that happens. But as fans, do you think he can honestly take us to that next level? We had a 20+ game losing streak to top 25 ranked opponents before Avery, and now we're like 10-9 in less than 3 years. Conversely, Avery has shown tendencies to lose costly games to opponents we should have won against. As a program, there's no reason we shouldn't demand excellence if we can recruit at a high level and beat quality opponents. To me, he seems like the type of coach who can lay a solid foundation for your program going forward, but can't seem to take that "next step". Obviously way too early, but JMO.
If we don't appear to be developing and our guys are still inconsistent, meaning the youth thing doesn't go away even with a year of experience under everyones belt, I will begin to get frustrated.
With that said, if we are back in the NCAAT (assuming we make it this year) as a 8-9 seed? I'm not sure my frustration will be much more than that, just frustration.
And, in the end, if he makes a run either year to the Sweet 16 or better......well in the end that is all that really matters. So, a lot of unknowns.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
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RPI up to #28. This is the roughly the highest RPI we've had since early December.
Go figure
Maybe this is the sign that I need to chill out and step away from the ledge with this team.
Admittedly, I am sort of a "johnny come lately" to basketball within the last 5 years or so. I know enough to be dangerous, but clearly I have been placing too much emphasis on purely W's and L's.
For us to lose twice in a week, one in ugly fashion, and our RPI to move up tells me it's much more about quality wins than losses.
I guess I'm used to Alabama playing a meh schedule and losing bad games, so in my mind I've been programmed to think any L is the worst thing possible for our NCAA chances.
I'm still holding judgement on Avery, as I think there are definitely things about his coaching that could improve, largely due to transition from NBA style of play to college. He's accumulated some nice talent down there, and they are definitely a young bunch. We're certainly much better off now than we were when he came.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:45 am to TiderNAL
The only thing about last week that was bad was how we played in the 2nd half at Auburn. And it was awful and deserved scorn.
However, just losing those 2 games was not a big deal.
Losing either of the next 2 would be, though.
100% agree
However, just losing those 2 games was not a big deal.
Losing either of the next 2 would be, though.
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I'm still holding judgement on Avery, as I think there are definitely things about his coaching that could improve, largely due to transition from NBA style of play to college. He's accumulated some nice talent down there, and they are definitely a young bunch. We're certainly much better off now than we were when he came.
100% agree
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to BigBird09
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Except an RPI of 64
With advanced metric now being on team's profiles next to RPI, individual RPI rank is losing importance
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Beating Auburn, even at home, without one of, if not the best, players in the conference and thwarting UT by 28 pts, even at home, are superior wins IMO.
I mean, I just disagree
The NCAAT has frequently shown a preference for teams who can win outside their own gym. Alabama's record outside of Coleman is 5-8 with despite only 6/13 teams being considered NCAAT teams
Even if TN/AU is on par or slightly better than UC/Zaga, it only strengthens the argument that Bama can't win outside of Coleman Coliseum
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They've barely played more (like 1 maybe 2). There's also a reason they are 36 spots lower in the RPI.
They've played the same number of games, so not sure what you are referring to.
As for the RPI bit, it is because RPI is a terrible metric and that is why everyone has wanted to phase it out
UF is being crushed by a combo of more bottom end opponents (They have a couple AL A&M) + OOC home losses to NCAAT teams. Hard to imagine they get criticized for playing more top teams
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:07 am to GenesChin
I'll say it again so people are aware, I believe UF is more at risk of missing the NCAAT than Bama is. I just think that from a seeding perspective, which I view differently based on NCAAT committee reported seeding methods, UF at this point in time has a better resume.
RPI just gets my jimmies rustled. Everything from people not understanding how it is calculated to my hatred of how it is used
Bama only misses the tournament if they have an epic collapse.
RPI just gets my jimmies rustled. Everything from people not understanding how it is calculated to my hatred of how it is used
Bama only misses the tournament if they have an epic collapse.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:29 am to GenesChin
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With advanced metric now being on team's profiles next to RPI, individual RPI rank is losing importance
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As for the RPI bit, it is because RPI is a terrible metric and that is why everyone has wanted to phase it out
Yet the newest and apparently most important criteria for the tournament field is based on which metric?
RPI is far from perfect, but this would be a historic level of ignoring RPI to put in a team with an RPI of 64 as a 7-seed in the tournament. There needs to be a new metric, but I've yet to see one without just as much flaws.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 10:33 am
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