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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:40 am to IB4bama
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:40 am to IB4bama
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. Wimp was under heavy criticism early on because his team wasn't doing very well.
I also remember CM Newton.
Wimp only had one season where he didn't make the post season - and all but one of those were NCAA trips. His sole losing season was right after the year we lost to Providence in the NCAAs. By that time, he was well established as a highly successful coach.
There was NEVER a time Wimp was under heavy criticism. Even when his personal scandal hit, his coaching ability was unquestioned.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:46 am to mistaken4193
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I know we would probably never do it and he would probably never accept but I would love to see Byrnes throw 6 or 7 million a year at Frank Martin to come coach us if Byrnes ever fire Avery.
3 downvotes?? You guys dont like Frank Martin??
So, Avery isn't the answer and your solution is to throw Saban money at a guy who is 1-4 against him?
I swear we have the absolute worst fans.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:59 am to JordonfortheJ
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So South Carolina (a team that plays 6 or 7 fresh and soph heavily) beat UF on the road. And went 3-2 against the toughest stretch in SEC play. @Bama @UGA, UK, TN, @UF. They started off in the SEC at 2-3.
Not sure where you got this (or if you assumed it after what they lost last year), but that is entirely incorrect. They have 2 freshmen and 1 sophomore that are in the top 7 of their rotation. There's only one other freshman/sophomore to get consistent minutes. Of the 4 freshmen/sophomores that consistently get minutes none of them average close to double digits in points. Compare that to Alabama who's top 7 in rotation consists of 3 sophomores and 3 freshmen, including our top 3 scorers (all over double digits), and the situations aren't even close to comparable.
Also we started off 1-2 in SEC Play and we're now 5-3. I have absolutely no idea how that keeps getting overlooked.
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some of them actually show progressions and maturity as the season develops
I just don't understand why people are using this after we've just recently come off of a 4-game winning streak, 2 of which were won without our best player. I know it hasn't been the roughest stretch, but it includes a win over the current best team in the league and the SEC is just a gauntlet full of solid and very good teams.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I love Frank Martin, but I don't believe he is the right coach for Bama.
He showed signs of life in season 3 (when you'd expect for a guy who isn't a great recruiter), that was just a rare good SEC year. He beat 5 Power5 NCAAT teams which is no small feat and was competitive in nearly all SEC games they lost
Not Frank's fault they got completely shafted in 2016. Had USCe been named something else, they for sure would have made it
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He took over a bad program at South Carolina and went 45-54 (15-39) his first 3 seasons before showing signs of life
He showed signs of life in season 3 (when you'd expect for a guy who isn't a great recruiter), that was just a rare good SEC year. He beat 5 Power5 NCAAT teams which is no small feat and was competitive in nearly all SEC games they lost
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been 0 for 4 going to the NCAAT after his first 4 years here.
Not Frank's fault they got completely shafted in 2016. Had USCe been named something else, they for sure would have made it
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:38 pm to GenesChin
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Not Frank's fault they got completely shafted in 2016. Had USCe been named something else, they for sure would have made it
Maybe not, but if after 4 years a guy had a SEC record of 26-46 with 0 NCAA tournaments, his head would be on the chopping block here. I'm not saying that would be the right decision (it wouldn't, obviously, see his subsequent success), but based on the reactions we have seen to this team in it's 3rd season it would undoubtedly happen.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:52 pm to JordonfortheJ
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So South Carolina (a team that plays 6 or 7 fresh and soph heavily)
SC this year plays only 3 FR and 1 SO ~12minutes+ if that is your generous floor for "heavily" w 4 other FR/SO avg sub 5minutes. The sophomore Kotsar started/avg 20+ minutes last year so a little different too
Compare that to Bama with 5 FR and 3 SO who avg >10mpg. The only listed JR/SR are Donta Hall and Avery Junior (lulz)
Even still, South Carolina's preferred "best lineup" is made up of a SR, 2 JRs and a SO in Kotsar who started last year
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HS 1 on 1 streetball, guys standing and watching isn't going to win much at this level
The NBA style ISO / Pick and roll ball can definitely work, Bama just doesn't seem to have the consistent shooting to pull it off
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Maybe not, but if after 4 years a guy had a SEC record of 26-46 with 0 NCAA tournaments, his head would be on the chopping block here.
Not sure it's fair to compare like that though since the programs are/were in different places, different resources, and support structures
While I think Bama's best bet would be to hire a D coach, I don't think your fan base would accept it/support it long enough to pay off. I don't think Bama bball has the patience for a coach who grinds out Ws using defense, not a decent/good offense.
Pretty sure Bama would run Tony Bennett out of town. Even in games they win, it can be painful to watch offensively at times
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:21 pm to GenesChin
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GenesChin
Again, I'm not arguing whether he should or shouldn't, I'm telling you he would. Look at what is going on right now with Avery (and it isn't 100% unjustified).
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While I think Bama's best bet would be to hire a D coach, I don't think your fan base would accept it/support it long enough to pay off. I don't think Bama bball has the patience for a coach who grinds out Ws using defense, not a decent/good offense. Pretty sure Bama would run Tony Bennett out of town. Even in games they win, it can be painful to watch offensively at times
If the guy went to the NCAAT most years I think people wouldn't give a shite. People were fine with Grant's style until it was clear he couldn't win enough with it.
We run around and shoot 3s and play at a pretty decent tempo now, but that doesn't really seem to make people happy because we are losing ball games.
I the end, I think all that matters is making the tournament consistently. That's where we are at this point. People just want to be a team that is generally in the tournament again. Doesn't matter if we average winning games 102-98 or 53-47 IMHO.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:56 pm to GenesChin
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While I think Bama's best bet would be to hire a D coach, I don't think your fan base would accept it/support it long enough to pay off.
Please...tell us Bama fans more about what we would accept.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:06 pm to mistaken4193
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throw 6 or 7 million a year at Frank Martin to come coach us
I hereby declare you suspended from coming up with any other ideas for the next 24 hours.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:16 pm to GenesChin
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While I think Bama's best bet would be to hire a D coach, I don't think your fan base would accept it/support it long enough to pay off. I don't think Bama bball has the patience for a coach who grinds out Ws using defense, not a decent/good offense.
Pretty sure Bama would run Tony Bennett out of town. Even in games they win, it can be painful to watch offensively at times
Grant tried to win with great defense and zero offense. He just didn't win enough. I'd be more than happy with a style of play like that as long as the talent evaluation, particularly with bigs, isn't the epic disaster it was for us under Grant. If they are draining the shot clock down and playing at a slow pace, but moving the ball around with purpose and making their shots I can live with ugly wins. I can't speak for anyone else though.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 3:04 pm to Robot Santa
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Grant tried to win with great defense and zero offense. He just didn't win enough. I'd be more than happy with a style of play like that as long as the talent evaluation, particularly with bigs, isn't the epic disaster it was for us under Grant. If they are draining the shot clock down and playing at a slow pace, but moving the ball around with purpose and making their shots I can live with ugly wins. I can't speak for anyone else though.
100% agree. Grant's style didn't bother me at all, except for the fact that the offense was bad because the offense was bad, not because we played at a slow tempo.
If the efficiency is good and the tempo is slow that's fine with me.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 3:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The notion that this team isn't improving or playing hard is asinine and really kind of an insult to these guys. I've seen them quit once this year..Against Texas and that was just frustration more than anything. It's funny how people forget how wimp underachieved with talented teams and didn't adjust his game plan if it wasn't working. I remember alot of quote "street ball" in those days too. Avery has won at the highest level, sold this program like no one has in years, recruits and develops players that grant couldn't or wouldn't...Yet some of our fans wanna bail on him when he's playing 5 freshmen and 2 sophomores in his 10 deep. We ve beaten 2 ranked teams and a couple other quality teams , but we have people who have no concept of SOS or RPI . I agree with the notion that we have many fans who have no clue when it comes to basketball...This isn't football folks .
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:05 pm to Bamainva40
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I remember alot of quote "street ball" in those days too.
Wimp was never accused of letting the guys play street ball. I don't remember that at all. If anything, people wanted Wimp to let the guys run more instead of his traditional offense
Posted on 1/25/18 at 5:02 pm to Cobrasize
The game Saturday is a “White Out”. If you’re going WEAR WHITE. Don’t be the oddball wearing blue in a sea of white shirts please lol
Posted on 1/25/18 at 6:29 pm to Cobrasize
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Wimp was never accused of letting the guys play street ball. I don't remember that at all. If anything, people wanted Wimp to let the guys run more instead of his traditional offense
Absolutely. I really wonder if some of these posters really watched the Wimp days. We'd run a little, but we were mostly a traditional half court team and nothing at all like the Nolan Richardsons of the day.
I mean, heck, look at the most notable players of the Wimp era. They were almost all centers and forwards. For the most part, those aren't the guys that flourish in an up-tempo street ball style.
Edited to add: If making 10 NCAA tourneys and 6 sweet 16s in 12 seasons is 'underachieving', sign me the frick up for a couple of decades of underachievement.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:10 pm to JustGetItRight
where will vegas have the Ala-Oklahoma line?
Oklahoma -4 or 5?
Oklahoma -4 or 5?
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:12 pm to McGregor
TIFWIW, but ESPN BPI gives us a 50.5% chance at winning.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:20 pm to Chadaristic
I had a good feeling about the Auburn game and we won.
I had a good feeling about the Miss St game and we won.
I had a bad feeling about the Ole Miss game and we lost.
I have a good feeling about the Oklahoma game.
I had a good feeling about the Miss St game and we won.
I had a bad feeling about the Ole Miss game and we lost.
I have a good feeling about the Oklahoma game.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:25 pm to Bamafan15
The Purdue-Michigan game is good. It's on ESPN.
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