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Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:30 am to crimson crazy
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:30 am to crimson crazy
From another board, not premium. SIAP.
Good evening gentlemen. Sorry so late. Had a few issues to resolve post scrimmage. Great day for football today. I am guessing that some on this site will send one of the TLDR responses, but I hope this update is helpful.
First off, this was a scrimmage that was obviously designed to work on the passing game. Our 3 featured backs each had 5 or fewer carries on the day. I will preface by saying we are all fortunate to be experiencing this time in Bama football. I would not trade our current roster/coaching staff with any other if given the opportunity. As for today, here goes:
Special teams- Very much a bright spot today. Griff was 5/5-kicks from 50, 45, 38, 37, and 32. JK Scott made a short one late in the scrimmage from 30. Griff had 2 kickoffs both into the end zone. JK scott is a very talented punter- had a few kicks that wowed the crowd; one off the side of his foot that probably netted 45 has after roll. The kid is probably 6'5" and weighs 150 soaking wet, but has a very big leg.
Offense.
QB- Sims won the day today. He is playing faster and making quicker decisions likely due to his familiarity with the personnel/etc. Had a 40 yd TD pass to Coop that was slightly under thrown. Coop was so open he simply stopped and waited on the ball to arrive. Blake probably had the most impressive throw of the day- a 40 yard strike to Cam sims on a post route-tackled at the 1 yd line. Was picked off twice- one in red zone by Marlon on a pass to Chris Black- not a bad throw, but better play by Marlon. The second was by Mo Smith on a very bad throw into double coverage. Made a few plays with his feet as you would expect. Big plays were against second D.- Blake has obviously put in some work on becoming a better pocket passer. Unfortunately still has difficulty going through progressions if primary receiver not open. Very dependent on #9.
Coker- passes the eye test. Big, strong, prototypical pro-style guy. Good footwork and pocket presence. Seemed to play with a great deal of anxiety/indecisiveness today. Has all of the physical tools to be successful in our style of offense. I guess this is not unexpected in a guy that has been on campus/with these receivers/this offense for 3 months. If the light turns on for this guy, he could be dangerous. Throws a very nice deep ball-very reminiscent of Brodie. It seems to me he simply needs more time. If he is not the started by the time the Gators get to town, it will be because he simply has not grasped the offense. Had a 65 yd TD throw to Drake on the second series of the scrimmage. Play was a wheel route. Reuben was given the task of man coverage on drake out of the backfield- no contest- he was 5 yards behind foster when the pass was thrown. Coker had 1 pick that I recall- was a pick 6 to Cyrus on a ball that was batted in the air at the line.
Bateman/Morris/Cornwell- all ran with the 2's/3's. All had a few good throws. Inconsistent. Cornwell no longer wearing knee brace-next to Coker, has strongest arm of the QB's. Will compete with Barnett later in his career for PT.
Good evening gentlemen. Sorry so late. Had a few issues to resolve post scrimmage. Great day for football today. I am guessing that some on this site will send one of the TLDR responses, but I hope this update is helpful.
First off, this was a scrimmage that was obviously designed to work on the passing game. Our 3 featured backs each had 5 or fewer carries on the day. I will preface by saying we are all fortunate to be experiencing this time in Bama football. I would not trade our current roster/coaching staff with any other if given the opportunity. As for today, here goes:
Special teams- Very much a bright spot today. Griff was 5/5-kicks from 50, 45, 38, 37, and 32. JK Scott made a short one late in the scrimmage from 30. Griff had 2 kickoffs both into the end zone. JK scott is a very talented punter- had a few kicks that wowed the crowd; one off the side of his foot that probably netted 45 has after roll. The kid is probably 6'5" and weighs 150 soaking wet, but has a very big leg.
Offense.
QB- Sims won the day today. He is playing faster and making quicker decisions likely due to his familiarity with the personnel/etc. Had a 40 yd TD pass to Coop that was slightly under thrown. Coop was so open he simply stopped and waited on the ball to arrive. Blake probably had the most impressive throw of the day- a 40 yard strike to Cam sims on a post route-tackled at the 1 yd line. Was picked off twice- one in red zone by Marlon on a pass to Chris Black- not a bad throw, but better play by Marlon. The second was by Mo Smith on a very bad throw into double coverage. Made a few plays with his feet as you would expect. Big plays were against second D.- Blake has obviously put in some work on becoming a better pocket passer. Unfortunately still has difficulty going through progressions if primary receiver not open. Very dependent on #9.
Coker- passes the eye test. Big, strong, prototypical pro-style guy. Good footwork and pocket presence. Seemed to play with a great deal of anxiety/indecisiveness today. Has all of the physical tools to be successful in our style of offense. I guess this is not unexpected in a guy that has been on campus/with these receivers/this offense for 3 months. If the light turns on for this guy, he could be dangerous. Throws a very nice deep ball-very reminiscent of Brodie. It seems to me he simply needs more time. If he is not the started by the time the Gators get to town, it will be because he simply has not grasped the offense. Had a 65 yd TD throw to Drake on the second series of the scrimmage. Play was a wheel route. Reuben was given the task of man coverage on drake out of the backfield- no contest- he was 5 yards behind foster when the pass was thrown. Coker had 1 pick that I recall- was a pick 6 to Cyrus on a ball that was batted in the air at the line.
Bateman/Morris/Cornwell- all ran with the 2's/3's. All had a few good throws. Inconsistent. Cornwell no longer wearing knee brace-next to Coker, has strongest arm of the QB's. Will compete with Barnett later in his career for PT.
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:30 am to bamarep
Remainder of post. Again, NOT premium.
RB-top 3 RB had 5 carries or less each. It goes without saying Drake is a very dangerous weapon. He is a matchup nightmare. Nothing to report on TJ/Henry due to lack of carries/etc. Tyren Jones led team in rushing. He was running with the 1's in goal line- Very compact. Hits hole hard but has quick burst to outside if nothing available inside. Nudie used solely as blocker today. Tenpenny lost in mix.
TE- Vogler did not participate. Dakota Ball filled his role. Ball is an effective blocker and physical at point of attack, but not a threat in the passing game. OJ caught a few, but still somewhat underutilized in todays scrimmage. Had one seam route that he ran right past the safety, but blake missed the throw. Ty smith had a TD in goal line on a blown coverage by Rashann Evans (Lets just say CNS was in Rashaan's ear after the play).
WR- Very deep talent pool. Unfortunately due to poor offensive rhythm today, play was inconsistent. The WR were somewhat to blame. Had a ton of dropped balls today- not helping the QB's. D white made a great move on an out and up route- Coker threw a 40 yd dart that D white simply dropped. Coop had a few catches and looked good. Early in scrimmage, he had 10 yard catch and fumbled trying to make YAC- limped off field- rode stationary bike remainder of scrimmage- jogged off after scrimmage- looks like bruised knee. Of the young guys- Kief will redshirt. Cam Sims will play this year in mop up duty if nothing else. He has passed Falkins, Big physical kid that high points the ball well and not afraid to make catches over the middle. ArDarius Stewart will fill Christion Jones role next season and will play mop up duty this year. Probably the most improved guy in the receiving corp.
OL- Starting 5 were same as all camp. This group must get more physical at point of attack. If Leon Brown is healthy, I would expect him to regain his spot at RG back. Shank is a big body, but may still be a year away. Expect some growing pains with Cam Robinson. This should not be unexpected with a true FR at LT. he is obviously a special talent, but will take time to reach potential. He will be fine early with run blocking. In 3rd and long/obvious passing situations, he will require help from running back if facing a true speed rusher a la the kid from Oklahoma. His play will require some patience from all of us- however, if he stays healthy, he is a future 1st round talent.
Of the young guys- Piersbacher will not redshirt and will play this year. Grant Hill had a decent day with the 2's.
DLine- Could end up being the strength of the team. When watching these scrimmages, I try not to over-react. However, DJ Pettway is an absolute beast. We have no O lineman on this team that can keep him out of the backfield. He is very explosive and has added "good weight" since his first stent with the Tide. Also holds point of attack well against the run. John Allen is a beast as well. Very strong/explosive off of the line/punishing tackler. Dalvin finally healthy and will have a spot in the rotation as well. True Freshman Frazier is a big physical kid that I think may end up seeing meaningful PT as the season progresses. Jarran Reed working his way back into the rotation. Also will be a force on the DL. A'Shawn will be back at practice this week. Scary group for opposing OL. Hand is buried on the depth chart as of now, but as he gains experience, will be and all SEC type guy- unbelievable first step for a guy of 275LB
LB- In base D- Reggie and Reuben in middle. Devall at Jack and Lee at Sam. In nickel- becoming primary formation- Trey at Mike, Reggie at Will, Devall/Dickson at Jack. Jarrick at Star. Sean Hamilton saw meaningful snaps today. A bit undersized for the typical Saban LB, but very high football IQ. Very rarely out of position. Reuben's knowledge of defense has improved greatly. He is no longer simply the 'see ball-get ball heat seeking missile'. Still very physical tackler, but now seems to be keeping head up when tackling. Pass coverage better but not yet an every down LB. Trey has picked up a little "bad weight" with his injury that was hampering his mobility- needs to drop a few pounds before SEC play. Reggie had a good scrimmage today and will be a solid backer. Rashaan is very quick/explosive coming off the edge-played only against 2/3's. Does not have grasp of D at this time- will likely be special teams/mop up duty until he does-When he gets grasp of the D- watch out- this guy will be a good one.
DB- I know most on here will not want to hear this but Cyrus will start the season at corner. He has obviously put in some offseason work. He was not out of position on any play in the scrimmage. The 1st team D did not give up more that 1-2 explosive plays-none against Cyrus. He had pick 6 on batted ball. Was very physical with WR in bump coverage. Both corners benefitted today from a very aggressive pass rush-Pettway/Allen/Tomlinson/Hand/Reed/Frazier/Ivory/Lake/Devall/Dickson.
Sylve at the other corner- very solid today.
Tony Brown will compete for starting spot before the year is up. Marlon needs to add a little weight but cover skills look good- had a nice pick of sims in red zone situation while covering Chris Black.
At safety- Landon Collins, barring injury, will be the top safety in the nation. Very explosive, Fantastic in run support today. Making all of the calls on the back end. Nick Perry was the other safety. Jarrick was the star in nickel. In dime, Mo Smith is the 6th DB. Geno looked good in warmups- looked like he could have played but was held out.
All in all- a tired team today. We as fans have much to be excited about. I expect the team we see against WV will be much improve by the time Florida gets to BDS. Hope all of you have a great season. See you in Atlanta in 2 weeks. RTR!!
RB-top 3 RB had 5 carries or less each. It goes without saying Drake is a very dangerous weapon. He is a matchup nightmare. Nothing to report on TJ/Henry due to lack of carries/etc. Tyren Jones led team in rushing. He was running with the 1's in goal line- Very compact. Hits hole hard but has quick burst to outside if nothing available inside. Nudie used solely as blocker today. Tenpenny lost in mix.
TE- Vogler did not participate. Dakota Ball filled his role. Ball is an effective blocker and physical at point of attack, but not a threat in the passing game. OJ caught a few, but still somewhat underutilized in todays scrimmage. Had one seam route that he ran right past the safety, but blake missed the throw. Ty smith had a TD in goal line on a blown coverage by Rashann Evans (Lets just say CNS was in Rashaan's ear after the play).
WR- Very deep talent pool. Unfortunately due to poor offensive rhythm today, play was inconsistent. The WR were somewhat to blame. Had a ton of dropped balls today- not helping the QB's. D white made a great move on an out and up route- Coker threw a 40 yd dart that D white simply dropped. Coop had a few catches and looked good. Early in scrimmage, he had 10 yard catch and fumbled trying to make YAC- limped off field- rode stationary bike remainder of scrimmage- jogged off after scrimmage- looks like bruised knee. Of the young guys- Kief will redshirt. Cam Sims will play this year in mop up duty if nothing else. He has passed Falkins, Big physical kid that high points the ball well and not afraid to make catches over the middle. ArDarius Stewart will fill Christion Jones role next season and will play mop up duty this year. Probably the most improved guy in the receiving corp.
OL- Starting 5 were same as all camp. This group must get more physical at point of attack. If Leon Brown is healthy, I would expect him to regain his spot at RG back. Shank is a big body, but may still be a year away. Expect some growing pains with Cam Robinson. This should not be unexpected with a true FR at LT. he is obviously a special talent, but will take time to reach potential. He will be fine early with run blocking. In 3rd and long/obvious passing situations, he will require help from running back if facing a true speed rusher a la the kid from Oklahoma. His play will require some patience from all of us- however, if he stays healthy, he is a future 1st round talent.
Of the young guys- Piersbacher will not redshirt and will play this year. Grant Hill had a decent day with the 2's.
DLine- Could end up being the strength of the team. When watching these scrimmages, I try not to over-react. However, DJ Pettway is an absolute beast. We have no O lineman on this team that can keep him out of the backfield. He is very explosive and has added "good weight" since his first stent with the Tide. Also holds point of attack well against the run. John Allen is a beast as well. Very strong/explosive off of the line/punishing tackler. Dalvin finally healthy and will have a spot in the rotation as well. True Freshman Frazier is a big physical kid that I think may end up seeing meaningful PT as the season progresses. Jarran Reed working his way back into the rotation. Also will be a force on the DL. A'Shawn will be back at practice this week. Scary group for opposing OL. Hand is buried on the depth chart as of now, but as he gains experience, will be and all SEC type guy- unbelievable first step for a guy of 275LB
LB- In base D- Reggie and Reuben in middle. Devall at Jack and Lee at Sam. In nickel- becoming primary formation- Trey at Mike, Reggie at Will, Devall/Dickson at Jack. Jarrick at Star. Sean Hamilton saw meaningful snaps today. A bit undersized for the typical Saban LB, but very high football IQ. Very rarely out of position. Reuben's knowledge of defense has improved greatly. He is no longer simply the 'see ball-get ball heat seeking missile'. Still very physical tackler, but now seems to be keeping head up when tackling. Pass coverage better but not yet an every down LB. Trey has picked up a little "bad weight" with his injury that was hampering his mobility- needs to drop a few pounds before SEC play. Reggie had a good scrimmage today and will be a solid backer. Rashaan is very quick/explosive coming off the edge-played only against 2/3's. Does not have grasp of D at this time- will likely be special teams/mop up duty until he does-When he gets grasp of the D- watch out- this guy will be a good one.
DB- I know most on here will not want to hear this but Cyrus will start the season at corner. He has obviously put in some offseason work. He was not out of position on any play in the scrimmage. The 1st team D did not give up more that 1-2 explosive plays-none against Cyrus. He had pick 6 on batted ball. Was very physical with WR in bump coverage. Both corners benefitted today from a very aggressive pass rush-Pettway/Allen/Tomlinson/Hand/Reed/Frazier/Ivory/Lake/Devall/Dickson.
Sylve at the other corner- very solid today.
Tony Brown will compete for starting spot before the year is up. Marlon needs to add a little weight but cover skills look good- had a nice pick of sims in red zone situation while covering Chris Black.
At safety- Landon Collins, barring injury, will be the top safety in the nation. Very explosive, Fantastic in run support today. Making all of the calls on the back end. Nick Perry was the other safety. Jarrick was the star in nickel. In dime, Mo Smith is the 6th DB. Geno looked good in warmups- looked like he could have played but was held out.
All in all- a tired team today. We as fans have much to be excited about. I expect the team we see against WV will be much improve by the time Florida gets to BDS. Hope all of you have a great season. See you in Atlanta in 2 weeks. RTR!!
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 7:32 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:54 am to bamarep
Thanks, good stuff. Though it didn't exactly alleviate my QB and OL concerns
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:20 am to bamarep
Thanks for passing it along. Sounds like drops may be a problem with some guys. Good to hear Sims/Coker played better than some indicate.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:28 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Yep, I was encouraged by that. Sounds like the DL will be BEAST and although Blake may start, Jake sounds like he may be hard to hold off once he isn't "thinking."
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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- Quote of the day: "Where did the screwdriver come from," said defensive line coach Bo Davis when, well, a stray screwdriver landed in the middle of the drill. The question didn't appear to be answered, but a manager quickly scooped it.
WTF?
Did this get slipped in just to see if people are paying attention?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:36 am to bamarep
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DLine- Could end up being the strength of the team.
ya think?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:49 am to bamarep
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Very dependent on #9
Ugh...don't like hearing that. That can get you into trouble and we have too much talent for that to happen. Last thing I want to see is Blake to panic when he doesn't see Amari. Coker's issue seem to be mental, which is what I was afraid of considering his short time on campus. Hopefully he will iron those out over time. But the OL issues will affect what happens at QB...which will be a good or bad thing.
At the end of the day, I hope Blake's good "performance" is a result of actual good performance and he's not just clearing the low bar of just doing better than Coker...if that makes sense.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:00 am to FairhopeTider
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But the OL issues will affect what happens at QB.
I agree. I think the best possible scenario is for the OL to excel at run blocking and let our offense get comfortable and then let the passing work itself out over time. But with Sims' and Coker's ability to run and our stable of great backs, we shouldnt have much problem going with a heavy run based power offense.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:58 am to bamarep
This defensive freshmen class is coming along beastly. Stoked.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:45 pm to LukeSidewalker
The QB situation is really borderline depressing. Outside of that position, this is a national title caliber team--especially with the kickers looking good. With all the great classes we've signed the last 5 years, to be down to a converted RB and a transfer, both of whom are not looking the part, is well, just depressing to me. We will lose no fewer than two games in the regular season if things don't improve there.
My question is, why not give Bateman or even Cornwell some reps with the 1's? Bateman looked decent in the A-Day game and Cornwell throws the best ball of the bunch and has been on campus longer than Coker. Thoughts?
My question is, why not give Bateman or even Cornwell some reps with the 1's? Bateman looked decent in the A-Day game and Cornwell throws the best ball of the bunch and has been on campus longer than Coker. Thoughts?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:45 pm to Funky Tide 8
Based on the fact that no football players today could play two way football, to not understand that being strong doesn't mean you can't also have endurance is a misnomer.
I think people are better athletes if the can endure. If you weigh 300 pounds and are fat as Cody and Andre you are not at your best. Players should be at their best or else they are not going to preform at the highest level.
With the NCAA allowing offenses to control the play we need to start making sure our players train for endurance.
You have to keep up with the game I am sure Saban ua on top of this
I think people are better athletes if the can endure. If you weigh 300 pounds and are fat as Cody and Andre you are not at your best. Players should be at their best or else they are not going to preform at the highest level.
With the NCAA allowing offenses to control the play we need to start making sure our players train for endurance.
You have to keep up with the game I am sure Saban ua on top of this
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:04 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
From all the reports that are coming out it seems that Sims is up in the race. The issue is everyone wants Coker to be the guy. It seems like it's an anybody but Sims race and I don't think it's fair. If you go back and look at the GA State game he threw the ball well while running our traditional offense. Add in some things like the read option, roll outs and the playbook opens up a lot of possibilities. I was high on Coker until I watched the 7:33 video on YouTube and the same mistakes are being reported now. The high throws, his hesitance in the pocket, and lack of touch. Either way I just want the best QB on the field.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:14 pm to bamarep
The info came from a poster on Woollyal.com. A lesser known Bama site that was created after Tidesports went membership. It's a pretty good alternative site to this one if you are looking for something less strict like I imagine Tidefans to be from what posters have said of it.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:16 pm to Snoop1911
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I was high on Coker until I watched the 7:33 video on YouTube and the same mistakes are being reported now. The high throws, his hesitance in the pocket, and lack of touch. Either way I just want the best QB on the field.
Good point.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:29 pm to tider04
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The QB situation is really borderline depressing. Outside of that position, this is a national title caliber team--especially with the kickers looking good. With all the great classes we've signed the last 5 years, to be down to a converted RB and a transfer, both of whom are not looking the part, is well, just depressing to me. We will lose no fewer than two games in the regular season if things don't improve there.
Hard not to agree. QB plays a big role for us and unlike what most think, we can't just roll anyone out there to manage the game. To win the SEC and survive the playoff, we'll need a QB who can make plays and be clutch. If Blake has truly emerged into a really good QB, then I'll be fine. If he has merely not sucked as much as Coker, then this could be a long season.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:47 pm to tider04
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The QB situation is really borderline depressing.
Meh, everyone is acting like the sky is falling, because everyone is assuming that Sims cant get the job done. And why? Because Sims didnt perform great in the A-day game? Hardly any of our QBs have ever performed well on A-day.
So many are counting out every QB on our roster before they even have a chance to prove themselves. Its kind of pathetic.
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My question is, why not give Bateman or even Cornwell some reps with the 1's?
Why are you so hell bent on Sims not being capable? Especially when he has been doing well in practice?
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:58 pm to FairhopeTider
That's where I got it BPM. Until I found this site, it's where I went for 'Cruitin updates.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Meh, everyone is acting like the sky is falling, because everyone is assuming that Sims cant get the job done. And why? Because Sims didnt perform great in the A-day game? Hardly any of our QBs have ever performed well on A-day.
It's not just his performance on ADay. Outside of a decent showing against a high school level team in scrub time against Georgia State, he has consistently looked bad in scrimmages, spring games, and actual games. Even this past scrimmage he threw two picks, one in a goal line situation that would have robbed us of points in a real game, and he threw a pick six. That crap will get us beat against about 4 teams on our schedule this year. On top of that, he doesn't have a great arm, and he is about 8 inches shorter than most of his OL which is also a concern. He was recruited as a RB/S prospect for a reason. At the end of the day, he just isn't a great college QB which is why so many were pulling for Coker. It has nothing to do with race or anything else, I'd be just as petrified if say Philip Ely was in line to be our starting QB this season.
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Why are you so hell bent on Sims not being capable? Especially when he has been doing well in practice?
See my answer above.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:28 pm to tider04
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he has consistently looked bad in scrimmages, spring games, and actual games
spring game yeah, but he has looked okay in everything else.
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Even this past scrimmage he threw two picks,
Not that concerning. AJ threw picks in scrimmages regularly.
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On top of that, he doesn't have a great arm, and he is about 8 inches shorter than most of his OL which is also a concern.
there are plenty of good QBs that are 6 foot tall.
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At the end of the day, he just isn't a great college QB which is why so many were pulling for Coker.
I will wait to see how he does in meaningful playing time before determining that. To each his own.
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