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Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:42 pm to 251_Dreaux
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:44 pm to Recruitingjunkie
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If you don't want to debate then don't comment towards me. I'm just talking about personnel on here, it's just a debate. Nothing more. State your cases if you think your opinion is right and I'll rebuttal. That's how this works.
I thought you were a dick...but for some strange reason I actually like you lol
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:46 pm to Recruitingjunkie
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quote:How are you so sure the other guys are better? Excatly. Give them their due shot. The other 2 already got theirs. Simple stuff here
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:47 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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One of the biggest problems in Bama's passblocking in late 2013 is now current whiffing blocks on my TV screen for the Bills.
Cut him some slack. He just had a really nice fumble recovery
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:50 pm to sarc
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Cut him some slack. He just had a really nice fumble recovery
Got himself a souvenir
He has started to play a little better after whiffing on that LB. Dude just scooched out the way like a bullfighter.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:53 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Yeah shades of the Sugar Bowl on about 4 plays. Gonna have to do better than that
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:06 am to MagillaGuerilla
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Thought I was pretty clear above that it wasn't the best it could be.
OK then we need a change. inb4obama
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Tweaked is not what you're asking for, you're asking for an overhaul. That's not gonna fix any problem, that's gonna cause more.
The line clicked in certain spots, the runblocking was fine collectively. The passblocking is where it needed to be fixed. There was some problems "clicking" because they there were injuries that pulled out the starters and they were left playing with their backups for spans. That's gonna wreck cohesion as much as anything.
I saw Arie screw up, I'm not gonna pretend he didn't have a bad series or even game. But there was also times where he was in the zone with his pulls.
One of the biggest problems in Bama's passblocking in late 2013 is now current whiffing blocks on my TV screen for the Bills.
OK the line had some good moments against inferior opponents. Im sure Shepard had a good game or 2 compared to the kouandjios, but im talking about a full body of work. At least make the guys who have the potential co-starters and get them in and see what clicks and what doesnt. Whats the harm in giving talented players who signed up to play for Alabama a chance to show themselves? They dont get that opportunity like I think they should.
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That's subjective, that's your opinion. You can bring in all the straw men you want, but at the end of the day, you're still not giving me facts. Saying "this guy is bigger and stronger" and "that guy has more NFL potential" doesn't get them on the football field. Save the brief flipflop they did, Arie and Austin have been in those spots since last Spring. These players have had their opportunities to unseat them, yet here we sit them them STILL running with the 1st team in practice. It's not like these guys specifically contributed to Bama's losses. Those losses were clusterfricks that led back to the coaching staff as well. Not that it was worth anything, but Shepherd had good games against both Auburn and Oklahoma. Right side was run side, and held his passrushers off the QB.
Ok, even if it is my opinion, do you think it is fair to not give a shot to players who deserve their time? And isnt your opinion that there should be no change? Can I quote you saying you want the line to stay the same?
As far as unseating them, Grant Hill was a true freshman who pushed a RS JR in the middle of the season. Jackson will get his shot at 1 of the guard spots, I dont believe in seniority. This is a business, not a charity. Isnt HS Ball
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Actually plays to my point. Fulton played bad, he got benched. If Arie and Austin were as bad, why weren't they pulled as well. Were they Chance Warmack and DJ Fluker? No, but who is?
Austin did to Grant Hill multiple times, I know everyone remembers that. Arie got replaced by Kellen Williams after 2 penalties in a mid season game.
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Now we can be civil about this and just agree to agree to disagree on the matter and just let it play out in practice. I'm not rooting for a single player over another, I too want this best players on the field. But unless Saban gives out a list of them at his next PC, who are we to know who those guys are? If Grant Hill is better than Shepherd, he'll be on the field. If _____ is better than Kouandjio, then he'll be on the field.
Its the first weekend of practice. I doubt Saban is going to put Jackson with 1st team until he is fundamentally and mentally caught up. Give him a couple of weeks. Give Brown time to heal. Give Grant Hill time to show Shepard up on pass blocking. Im not rooting against anyone. Im rooting for the players who are highly rated and signed up to play football that deserve their chance on the field in A GAME.
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:16 am to Tide or Die87
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I thought you were a dick...but for some strange reason I actually like you lol
Lol why would you think I was a dick? I criticize, it is what it is. I know my football and baseball. People want to debate, ill debate as long as it takes to cover everything and justify reasons.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:19 am to 251_Dreaux
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Recruitingjunkie, I have no problem with you stating your opinion on depth chart issues, but it seems you are ultra negative towards certain players. It seems it's personal with you, but it's just a game at the end of the day.
Then dont take jabs if you dont have a problem?
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As a former college player, the way you attack some guys is low.
Dont be so sensitive. I played College ball as well. Anyone who accepts reality isnt going to care about the truth.
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I've had convo with guys on here concerning Cyrus Jones and while we split on his playing ability, no one attacked him on the levels you are criticizing players.
Im sure Cyrus is crying in his dorm right now. Poor guy. Lets let Cyrus fight his battles if he is that disturbed by a anonymous poster on a message board.
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But have fun on the board and enjoy the 2014 season
Im having fun now. I love debating and getting info out on the table.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:45 am to sarc
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. In general there'd be a couple of good throws followed by a bad one and I don't remember any great throws.
Came to say the exact same thing about Coker. He'd have one series where he looks great then he will make a couple of WTF throws.
I came away much more impressed with Sims then I was coming out of last season and in the Spring.
Also if anyone wants to teach kids how to run routes just show them some tape of Amari. He turns it into an art form.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:04 am to Recruitingjunkie
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Im not rooting against anyone. Im rooting for the players who are highly rated and signed up to play football that deserve their chance on the field in A GAME.
So, you assume these guys you're knighting for are better because there were more stars beside their names on a couple of websites.
And would it kill you to use an apostrophe now and again? This isn't Nam.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:16 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
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And would it kill you to use an apostrophe now and again? This isn't Nam.
Can it,,,,, Jerry''''' .....
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So, you assume these guys you're knighting for are better because there were more stars beside their names on a couple of websites.
Stars or not, Grant Hill was the number 1 Guard out of HS and that accolade translated to him pushing for a starting job as a freshman. Saban said we cant not play this guy. So your recruiting rank beef doesnt hold much water when saban praises a TF
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:28 am to Recruitingjunkie
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OK the line had some good moments against inferior opponents. Im sure Shepard had a good game or 2 compared to the kouandjios, but im talking about a full body of work. At least make the guys who have the potential co-starters and get them in and see what clicks and what doesnt. Whats the harm in giving talented players who signed up to play for Alabama a chance to show themselves? They dont get that opportunity like I think they should.
As am I, you've done nothing but focus on what was bad up until this point. And you barely did that, had to do it with a backhanded compliment.
They get their opportunities every day in practices to unseat someone. They get reps with the 1st team, if the coaches saw superior play, they'd make something like that happen.
Cam Robinson showed on the practice field he was better than incumbent Brandon Greene, and he was rewarded the starting LT job. He got an opportunity, just like everyone else. Only guy who hasn't had a fair shake is Jackson, who wasn't even been on campus.
But to force someone out of the lineup because they're highly regarded prospects doesn't make sense.
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Ok, even if it is my opinion, do you think it is fair to not give a shot to players who deserve their time? And isnt your opinion that there should be no change? Can I quote you saying you want the line to stay the same?
As far as unseating them, Grant Hill was a true freshman who pushed a RS JR in the middle of the season. Jackson will get his shot at 1 of the guard spots, I dont believe in seniority. This is a business, not a charity. Isnt HS Ball
Why do they deserve playing time? Because they "are highly rated and signed up to play football"? And you say I'm talking about charity. They'll get playing time if they earn it on the practice field, just like any starter before them.
My opinion wasn't wanting the line to stay static for the sake of staying the same. It was more of a point that it's unlikely a coaching staff would overhaul 4/5 positions on the OL with 3 13 game starters returning. I'm willing to bet save a coaching staff oust, that's not happened a lot in the last 10 years. You just don't throw that away on a hunch someone might be better if you just give him "more time".
If by chance it does happen, it's because the returning starters just got plain outplayed. And I'm all for the situation, I hope if someone is superior, they get the job. But to shuffle the deck for the sake of shuffling is something I can't get behind.
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Austin did to Grant Hill multiple times, I know everyone remembers that. Arie got replaced by Kellen Williams after 2 penalties in a mid season game.
And yet both of them started all 13 games. They got pulled in some games, but in what regard is unknown. I wouldn't doubt Arie drew the ire of the coaching staff enough to yank him out, but there could have been moments were one was gassed or had to miss a series.
Per the Tuscaloosa News, Arie Kouandjio gave up 2 sacks on the season, Austin Shepherd gave up 1. Even if they "lost time", that's not as bad as it seemed individually. Doesn't tell the whole story either, but you'd think those numbers would be a lot worse with they way you've talked about them.
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Its the first weekend of practice. I doubt Saban is going to put Jackson with 1st team until he is fundamentally and mentally caught up. Give him a couple of weeks. Give Brown time to heal. Give Grant Hill time to show Shepard up on pass blocking. Im not rooting against anyone. Im rooting for the players who are highly rated and signed up to play football that deserve their chance on the field in A GAME.
Jackson was working 3rd team OT Sunday, haven't really shown their hand on where they want him at. I'll give Brown and Hill all the time they need, I hope they do make the best of their opportunities. It's up to them to do, they aren't gonna be given it.
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highly rated and signed up to play football that deserve their chance on the field in A GAME.
I don't see how either of those have to do with the other. None of those make the coaching staff obligated to hand them anything. They have to prove it, what some schmuck ranked them out of HS isn't gonna get them anything. You have to show it on the practice field before you get to show it on the real field.
Again, we'll see come week 1. I hope you get what you're looking for in the starting lineup. I'm tired of this runaround, so I concede. I've laid my points out there, seems we just don't agree...
Posted on 8/4/14 at 6:42 am to Recruitingjunkie
Be more respectful of others opinions. If you disagree fine, but personal attacks wont be tolerated.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 7:13 am to Alahunter
A lot of interesting points regarding the OL. I agree that scrapping the returning members of the OL is not the right way to go but after last year I doubt anyone feels secure in their position. Yes AK and AS may have started every game but I do not think we had many other options behind them to replace them. Hill and Brown both had upside and moments but still lacked consistency last year. I only hope since the end of last season they have improved.
I like Jackson because he seems to play mean and nasty something our OL lacked last year. I have seen that in G Hill at times last year. I never saw it in AK or AS. They are solid and yes were our best option last year and may have it this year, but it just does not seem to be the type of players they are.
Overall I did not enjoy the way our OL played last year. We played soft and looked to get pushed around to much. I am not just knocking AK and AS either. I liked Lindsey over Kelly and I thought CK did not have a great year. IN my opinion going into the fall every position should be open with no one a lock even a returning starter. Just my opinion.
I like Jackson because he seems to play mean and nasty something our OL lacked last year. I have seen that in G Hill at times last year. I never saw it in AK or AS. They are solid and yes were our best option last year and may have it this year, but it just does not seem to be the type of players they are.
Overall I did not enjoy the way our OL played last year. We played soft and looked to get pushed around to much. I am not just knocking AK and AS either. I liked Lindsey over Kelly and I thought CK did not have a great year. IN my opinion going into the fall every position should be open with no one a lock even a returning starter. Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 7:44 am to alabamabuckeye
Come on guys, we all love Bama and we all have our opinions on who should man each position. No need in arguing on it here for gods sake. Coach Saban isn't going to start a player on the OL that he din't think could man the position. He's gonna play the best guy there regardless of what we think. Opinions are fine but the bickering isn't.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 8:53 am to RTR America
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Also if anyone wants to teach kids how to run routes just show them some tape of Amari. He turns it into an art form.
This.
I'm sure he gives some tips to the young guys too.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
We practice today?
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:42 am to TreyAnastasio
I don't know. I think so, but I don't know for sure.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:08 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I don't understand this argument about OL when Saban has already said that it wasn't set and they will be switching and moving guys around to get the best 5. I would like to see whichever 5 guys that can be great run blockers.
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