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re: -It’s finally over- He’s Gone

Posted on 3/2/19 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/2/19 at 1:15 pm to
I hope the season tanks from here to leave no excuse for Avery
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14641 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 1:20 pm to
Cmon man
Posted by Bamaorbust
Member since Jan 2019
110 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 1:54 pm to
Great attitude.


Did anyone think we would beat LSU? No they may be a final four team. We played them tough though. Now if lose to Auburn I'll start getting angry.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11776 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:31 pm to
Here are the current coaches in the SEC and their hire year:

1. John Calipari UK 2009
2. (tie) Billy Kennedy A&M 2011
2. Mike Anderson Arkansas 2011
4. Frank Martin USC 2012
5. Bruce Pearl Auburn 2014
6. (tie) Avery Johnson Alabama 2015
6. Mike White Florida 2015
6. Ben Howland Miss St 2015
6. Rick Barnes Tennessee 2015
10. Bryce Drew Vandy 2016
11. (tie) Will Wade LSU 2017
11. Cuonzo Martin Missouri 2017
13.(tie) Kermit Davis 2018
13. Tom Crean UGA 2018

For the sake of this discussion, I am including Bruce Pearl in my group. We could have and should have fired Grant in 2014 and had an opportunity to hire Bruce Pearl. I'm not saying I wanted that, but I'm saying we could have.

Of the coached hired concurrently or after Avery Johnson, only Bryce Drew and Cuonzo Martin and arguably Mike White have been bigger disappointments. Pearl was hired in 2014. In 3 seasons, he had Auburn winning the SEC regular season. They are having some of their best basketball success ever. Ben Howland has State ranked and almost certainly in the tournament this year after back to back 20+ win seasons. They are certainly better than they were upon his arrival. Rick Barnes has UT ranked in the top 5, contending for the league title, a #1 NCAA seed, and a possible Final Four. I'd say they are better than before he arrived.

Mike White hasn't sustained Florida's incredible success under Donovan but they haven't exactly tanked either. They are fighting for a tourney bid and appear to have made a successful case for themselves barring a sudden collapse. IMHO, White was not a good fit in Gainesville, but he's a good coach and he's adjusting and making the best of it. Bryce Drew has been a disaster, no other way to put it. Another failed mid-major hot name. Cuonzo is another disaster. Saw that one coming a mile away. Never, EVER want him in Tuscaloosa.

Will Wade has only had 2 seasons in Baton Rouge, yet has the Tigers at the top of the SEC. There are certainly questions about whether he has broken rules and it appears that he could be in serious trouble but you cannot fault his coaching. He may have cheated to get the talent, but he's certainly coached it up.

That leaves new hires Kermit Davis and Tom Crean. Ole Miss is having their best season in decades as a hustling, hard working team that overcomes a talent deficit with effort and fundamentals. Crean has Georgia close. They are playing better teams hard and losing close games. He's also tearing it up on the recruiting trail. Better days are ahead for the Bulldogs on talent alone, if nothing else.

In 4 years at Alabama Avery Johnson is 74-58 (34-36 SEC) with 2 games to go in the regular season. That's a .560 winning percentage (.485 SEC) In Anthony Grant's first 4 years at Bama, he was 86-52 for .623 and 39-27 (.590). In his last 4 years, he was 75-58 (.563) and 36-34 (.514). For his total career, he was 117-85 (.579) and 54-49 (.524). NOW, I ask you. Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? The numbers say we are slightly worse. Ten other teams in the SEC are getting better coaching and getting a better product. We are falling further behind along with Missouri, Arkansas and Texas A&M. Is that what we want? I don't. It's time to try again.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Did anyone think we would beat LSU? No they may be a final four team. We played them tough though.

Speaking of great attitudes
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

We played them tough though


We shot 38% from the field and hit 57% of our free throws.

We looked like shite.
Posted by Canyon16
Muscle Shoals
Member since Nov 2017
3841 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:50 pm to
Its quite simple if you like mediocrity BAMA basketball keep Avery. I sure the hell don't & didn't like our mediocre football pre Saban.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12562 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 3:20 pm to
This Is Alabama Basketball...………..The program is hung up in neutral.
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34646 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 3:24 pm to
And rolling backwards...
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7981 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 3:34 pm to
Tuscaloosa was it you I saw posted in the rant that each year after 29 games Avery Johnson’s Bama squads are 17-12?

There’s all the proof you need of no progress made whatsoever.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24021 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

Did anyone think we would beat LSU?


I didn't. I expected a loss.

I also expect a different coach next year.
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34646 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 4:33 pm to
Musselman
Donovan
Who else?

Greg Byrne will say what’s up
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
38813 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 4:47 pm to
Mediocrity is a dangerous place to be. You have just enough success for timid or indifferent leaders to justify doing nothing. Abject failure is often better because anyone can make a decision in those circumstances. It's time for leaders to lead and force change in the program.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14641 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 5:28 pm to
I agree . Coaching could be better and needs to be addressed but I don’t want the season to tank. Can’t ever pull for us to lose , no matter what
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11776 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 6:00 pm to
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over (Avery) and expecting different results.
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7981 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 6:19 pm to
Was probably said in the heat of my frustration, but point being I’m just tired of mediocrity being tolerated in basketball.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19593 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 6:26 pm to
Wtf Donovan's name keep coming up? Thunder ain't about to fire him. This is not Saban Part Deux.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 6:54 pm to
Give me Thad Matta.
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34646 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 7:07 pm to
Money talks and he might miss recruiting
Posted by Bamafan18
Member since Oct 2018
3692 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 7:10 pm to
If Avery loses to Auburn on Tuesday, he will finish the regular season with a 1-6 record vs our main rivals this year (Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Miss St). Our only win was by 4 points at home over Miss St. The other time we played them they destroyed us by like 19.
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