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re: -It’s finally over- He’s Gone
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:28 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:28 pm to FairhopeTider
Wimp Sanderson was on WJOX this afternoon, and his comments were pretty interesting. He talked about how he modified his coaching style through his tenure; he stayed tough on the players, while making sure they knew he cared about them.
He also said he changed practices beginning in late January / early February, because everybody was so tired. Practice was 45 minutes long at that point, rather than the 90 minutes to two hours it was leading up to the season and in the early stages of the season.
He said that helped the team keep their legs fresh for the stretch run in tournament time (both SEC and NCAA).
Wonder if that's part of the issue with our current team.
He also said he changed practices beginning in late January / early February, because everybody was so tired. Practice was 45 minutes long at that point, rather than the 90 minutes to two hours it was leading up to the season and in the early stages of the season.
He said that helped the team keep their legs fresh for the stretch run in tournament time (both SEC and NCAA).
Wonder if that's part of the issue with our current team.
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Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:31 pm to Sauron
Well that’s all part of knowing how to coach, and we don’t have a “coach” on the staff. So yes, that’s part of the problem
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:44 pm to Bamafan18
We truly haven't had a tough minded coach who had intensity, x's & o's, fundamentals etc. since Wimp. Lots of younger Bama fans have never seen a consistently well coached Alabama basketball team which is sad.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:11 pm to Canyon16
Avery’s record over the last 7 games of the season is a combined 8-13 over the last 3 seasons with an 0-1 start to the final 7 this year. He’s 3-4, 3-4, and 2-5. Way to finish strong.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:15 pm to phil4bama
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Avery’s record over the last 7 games of the season is a combined 8-13 over the last 3 seasons
I'm stunned is that good. Is this including postseason games? I would've guesses he was like 5-18 over that frame.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:16 pm to Canyon16
When they show the mic’d Up segment when he is in the huddle , it’s like he is begging them to do the little things . No life, no leadership from upperclassmen. Heck he put his hand up against Florida and said “ here we go”... didn’t look like but 2 players joined in. Not tough enough for this group of players who seem to have a Bob Marley attitude about playing 
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:19 pm to phil4bama
Seeing this pathetic stat if only fans boycott remaining home games that may certainly move his arse on.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:23 pm to Bear88
Bama BB is an NIT program that every now takes an unexpected turn to The Dance. You only make matters worse by hoping for anything different. To watch a Michigan State coached team play and then watch an Alabama team play is an eye opener.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 2:41 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Bama BB is an NIT program that every now takes an unexpected turn to The Dance. You only make matters worse by hoping for anything different.
I think that's one of the issues. From an historical perspective, we're much better than that.
I didn't pay much attention to basketball when C.M. Newton was coaching (more fool me), but I was in high school and college when Wimp Sanderson was the coach. There was a time when the SEC Tournament was called "the Wimp Sanderson Invitational" because we were in the finals so much. SEC basketball royalty was always Kentucky, but we were part of the pantheon of greats.
And we were a dangerous team in the NCAAs. Wimp never got us past the Sweet 16 (Gottfried got us to the Elite 8 once), but we were a well-coached, fundamentally sound, defensively focused team who always seemed to run up against the one hot team every year who went on to win it all (or at least make the finals).
I don't think it's too much to ask for that to be the norm for Alabama basketball again.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 3:45 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I'm stunned is that good. Is this including postseason games? I would've guesses he was like 5-18 over that frame.
No, that is strictly regular season. And it’s Avery in a nutshell: the W’s are against teams you would expect us to lose to while most of the losses are against teams we should beat and when we needed it the most.
Here’s a perfect example from last year. Needing a win in our last 5 (we went 0fer) we faced a Florida team with a similar record that we had just destroyed in the O’Connell Center a month previous. So in Coleman, we come out and lay an egg similar to the Florida game this past weekend and got beat by 21.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 4:46 pm to phil4bama
Bring Billy Donovan here
Posted on 2/18/19 at 5:21 pm to Bryant91092
That' why I said last resort. CM Newton was from Kentucky.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 5:23 pm to Sauron
Rick Barnes mentioned Wimp having shorter practices esp. right before the ncaa tourney.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 5:34 pm to RollTide4Ever
Does those shorter practices mean this current bunch would be worse at free throw shooting?
Lets see a show of hands of those of you that care if Johnson is the BB for Bama next season? Anybody? Bueller? He is better than Grant for sure.
Lets see a show of hands of those of you that care if Johnson is the BB for Bama next season? Anybody? Bueller? He is better than Grant for sure.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 5:36 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Only 3 I trust at the line are Riley, Kira and believe it or not Dazon
Posted on 2/18/19 at 5:51 pm to Canyon16
quote:I’m one of those fans. I’m 23. Started following basketball around the time Grant was hired. I remember watching a couple games when Gottfried was there but I really didn’t care at the time (just wasn’t into the sport of basketball at that age). So when Grant was hired and everyone was excited, I started really following it. 6 years of nothing but disappointment under him. Then Avery comes along and it’s the most exciting time I’ve ever had as a basketball fan seeing him hired and hearing the promises he made in the opening presser. Now here we are once again, about to go through another coaching search either this year or the next. We better not strike out on a good coach this time. I don’t know how much longer I can take the disappointment Bama Hoops has brought me
Lots of younger Bama fans have never seen a consistently well coached Alabama basketball team which is sad.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:30 pm to Bamafan18
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Bamafan18
I remember growing up in the Wimp years...SEC Tourny was almost always Bama making it to finals or winning. NCAA was often Sweet 16.
Same as a poster above stated...and as far as meeting the hot teams..
I remember Pitino, with hot shot Billy Donovan putting one of our better teams out.
We out played Purdue (a top team at the time) with Big Dog. (I think that was his nick name) and lost.
Loyola Marymount when they averaged about 180 pts a game
beat us. Wimp had Bama pull it out on any fastbreak that was not against 0 defenders. If we had 3-1 fastbreak...we puled it out and made them play defense...and almost won that one. Remember winning a $1 bet with my granddad when Bama and Bobby Lee Hurt beat Patrick Ewing and Georgetown.
Epic 40 minutes of Hell battles with Nolan Richardson and Arkansas.
Winning an intense recruiting battle for Buck Williams...beating out UAB and Gene Bartow.
Wimp would not schedule UAB or South...NCAA matched us up against South in the first round one year and we had the better team...South had 2 guards (for some reason I think they were called PB&J??) and they beat us in the first round.
Wimp was a more polite version of Bobby Knight...none of the outrageous stuff...just extremely firey and hard nosed.
I also remember sitting in front of him in Coleman watching the final 8 HS tourny one year. Andalusia was there with Robert Horry. Wimp was there to watch him. I told a buddy of mine Horry would never make it because he seemed low effort and Wimp would not tolerate that. Well, Horry obviously made it and also Wimp did not tolerate low effort.
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:45 pm to Bama323_15
I understand the frustration with Avery, and I agree that he should be fired, but the players were absolutely a disgrace on Saturday. Everyone hates the perpetually empty courtside seats at Coleman, but they were full for this game. The crowd showed up. Their home court was rocking for a game with tournament implications on the line for both teams. College basketball players should NOT need a coach to fire them up for that. I don’t give a shite how long practice was last week. If they can’t get up for that, then that’s basically a big middle finger to the fans, and I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to support them anymore this year.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:51 pm to CaptSpaulding
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CaptSpaulding
I agree with most of that...but coaching at any level does involve managing the effort level of players. They key is to manage it early so it is all understood by this point in the year.
David Hobbs tenure at Bama had some similarities. Well known and successful high school coach told me to watch for teams that get up for the top teams but are not up for "weaker" teams as that is a sign of lack of coaching...he was talking about Hobbs but could be saying it about Avery.
ETA: It is sad that a D1 athlete would need that motivation...not arguing that. But Saban spends time and money on doing that very thing...Avery relies on the players to do it themselves...every year...and we get same results...every year.
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:58 pm to Bamafan18
Bama basketball will break your heart especially in the tourney. We’re used to being good if you’re an old fart like me.
In 1976 CM Newton took #7 Alabama to the NCAAs when only 32 got an invite. In round 2, they ran into undefeated and eventual national champion Indiana with 3 All-Americans and Coach Bob Knight. Bama led late in the game until some BS calls went against them and we lost by 5. Knight said we were the best team they played all year That was perhaps the best Bama basketball team ever.
Fast forward to 1987. Wimp Sanderson has built a powerful program in Tuscaloosa and this is his best team yet. The Tide breezes through the SEC at 16-2, wins the regular season, then wins the SEC tourney. This team is being talked about as a potential Final Four team by national media. In the Sweet Sixteen they run into a Providence team coached by a young, relatively unknown Rick Pitino and the shooting guard is a guy named Billy Donovan. There’s a story that Pitino denies to this day that he tells his team that his kid is sick and he’s hoping his team can win the game for him because he hasn’t been able to really concentrate and prepare them properly. Donovan and company are big underdogs but they take the floor and proceed to shoot the lights out shooting .688 from the floor and .700 from behind the arc. They bury Alabama 103-82. Providence beat Georgetown in the Elite Eight before falling to Syracuse in the Final Four.
Last stop, 2004 Bama made the tourney off the Bubble as a 17-12 team and a #8 seed under Mark Gottfried. With low expectations, Bama beat Southern Illinois in round 1, then upset #1 seed Stanford in the round of 32. The roll continued as Bama then upset defending national champion Syracuse in the Sweet Sixteen. In the Elite Eight Bama had the misfortune of meeting eventual national champion (again) Connecticut where the season ended.
Bama basketball has a knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and running into the hot hand. We’ve had at least 3 or 4 teams deserving of making a Final Four if only they had been in a different matchup.
In 1976 CM Newton took #7 Alabama to the NCAAs when only 32 got an invite. In round 2, they ran into undefeated and eventual national champion Indiana with 3 All-Americans and Coach Bob Knight. Bama led late in the game until some BS calls went against them and we lost by 5. Knight said we were the best team they played all year That was perhaps the best Bama basketball team ever.
Fast forward to 1987. Wimp Sanderson has built a powerful program in Tuscaloosa and this is his best team yet. The Tide breezes through the SEC at 16-2, wins the regular season, then wins the SEC tourney. This team is being talked about as a potential Final Four team by national media. In the Sweet Sixteen they run into a Providence team coached by a young, relatively unknown Rick Pitino and the shooting guard is a guy named Billy Donovan. There’s a story that Pitino denies to this day that he tells his team that his kid is sick and he’s hoping his team can win the game for him because he hasn’t been able to really concentrate and prepare them properly. Donovan and company are big underdogs but they take the floor and proceed to shoot the lights out shooting .688 from the floor and .700 from behind the arc. They bury Alabama 103-82. Providence beat Georgetown in the Elite Eight before falling to Syracuse in the Final Four.
Last stop, 2004 Bama made the tourney off the Bubble as a 17-12 team and a #8 seed under Mark Gottfried. With low expectations, Bama beat Southern Illinois in round 1, then upset #1 seed Stanford in the round of 32. The roll continued as Bama then upset defending national champion Syracuse in the Sweet Sixteen. In the Elite Eight Bama had the misfortune of meeting eventual national champion (again) Connecticut where the season ended.
Bama basketball has a knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and running into the hot hand. We’ve had at least 3 or 4 teams deserving of making a Final Four if only they had been in a different matchup.
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