MajorSelector
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re: Nothing wrong with claiming NC'S!
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 5:03 pm to Whitey83
They absolutely were NOT obligated to award their tittle to the BCS winner.
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re: Nothing wrong with claiming NC'S!
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 5:00 pm to Crappieman
Maybe the BCS was a joke, by not giving USC (who was No. 1 in BOTH human polls) the chance to play for the title.
re: Nothing wrong with claiming NC'S!
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 4:22 pm to Crappieman
AP was voting pool of 50, 100, 200, whatever sportswriter published nationally every week and that awarded a trophy to their national champion.
Even the "lesser" selectors in the NCAA records book can at least be shown to have published their work somewhere.
The new Auburn claims are based on some ranking developed by some guy in his basement, that was never published anywhere, and that no one has ever heard of until 2025.
There is a difference.
Even the "lesser" selectors in the NCAA records book can at least be shown to have published their work somewhere.
The new Auburn claims are based on some ranking developed by some guy in his basement, that was never published anywhere, and that no one has ever heard of until 2025.
There is a difference.
re: How does Tennessee get away with the 1967 claim?
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 2:44 pm to Whitey83
The Wichita Eagle - Wichita, Kansas (and carried in other wire service newspapers on the same day, likely)
Thu, Dec 21, 1967
Thu, Dec 21, 1967
re: At least we can all agree on the number of basketball national titles everyone has
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 12:16 pm to bigDgator
re: Is Auburn really claiming 1958?
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 11:59 am to lsufball19
Here's the archived list from College Football Data Warehouse.
No source links are provided. Still don't know where or when this "Montgomery Full Season Championship" was published.
LINK
"Montgomery Full Season Championship" selections
Data created by: David A. Montgomery
Data obtained from: Tex Noel
Link: N/A
1936 - Minnesota
1937 - California
1938 - Texas Christian
1939 - Tennessee
1940 - Minnesota
1941 - Minnesota
1942 - Georgia
1943 - Notre Dame (IN)
1944 - Army (NY)
1945 - Army (NY)
1946 - Army (NY)
1947 - Notre Dame (IN)
1948 - Notre Dame (IN)
1949 - Notre Dame (IN)
1950 - Army (NY)
1951 - Tennessee
1952 - Michigan St.
1953 - Notre Dame (IN)
1954 - Oklahoma
1955 - Maryland
1956 - Oklahoma
1957 - Oklahoma
1958 - Auburn (AL)
1959 - Louisiana St.
1960 - Mississippi
1961 - Alabama
1962 - Alabama
1963 - Texas
1964 - Alabama
1965 - Arkansas
1966 - Michigan St.
1967 - Southern California
1968 - Southern California
1969 - Ohio St.
1970 - Texas
1971 - Nebraska
1972 - Southern California
1973 - Ohio St.
1974 - Oklahoma
1975 - Ohio St.
1976 - Michigan, Pittsburgh (PA)
1977 - Oklahoma
1978 - Oklahoma
1979 - Alabama
1980 - Alabama
1981 - Pittsburgh (PA)
1982 - Georgia
No source links are provided. Still don't know where or when this "Montgomery Full Season Championship" was published.
LINK
"Montgomery Full Season Championship" selections
Data created by: David A. Montgomery
Data obtained from: Tex Noel
Link: N/A
1936 - Minnesota
1937 - California
1938 - Texas Christian
1939 - Tennessee
1940 - Minnesota
1941 - Minnesota
1942 - Georgia
1943 - Notre Dame (IN)
1944 - Army (NY)
1945 - Army (NY)
1946 - Army (NY)
1947 - Notre Dame (IN)
1948 - Notre Dame (IN)
1949 - Notre Dame (IN)
1950 - Army (NY)
1951 - Tennessee
1952 - Michigan St.
1953 - Notre Dame (IN)
1954 - Oklahoma
1955 - Maryland
1956 - Oklahoma
1957 - Oklahoma
1958 - Auburn (AL)
1959 - Louisiana St.
1960 - Mississippi
1961 - Alabama
1962 - Alabama
1963 - Texas
1964 - Alabama
1965 - Arkansas
1966 - Michigan St.
1967 - Southern California
1968 - Southern California
1969 - Ohio St.
1970 - Texas
1971 - Nebraska
1972 - Southern California
1973 - Ohio St.
1974 - Oklahoma
1975 - Ohio St.
1976 - Michigan, Pittsburgh (PA)
1977 - Oklahoma
1978 - Oklahoma
1979 - Alabama
1980 - Alabama
1981 - Pittsburgh (PA)
1982 - Georgia
re: Is Auburn really claiming 1958?
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 11:52 am to lsufball19
re: What is this list of titles Auburn is claiming? I would like a link to
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 11:43 am to BLG
Per this article: LINK
- 1910: Maxwell Ratings (Loren Maxwell), College Football Rankings (Kyle Matschke)
- 1913: Billingsley MOV (Margin of Victory)
- 1914: James Howell’s Power Ratings System
- 1957: AP
- 1958: Montgomery Full Season Championship (David Montgomery)
- 1983: Billingsley, FACT, Football Research, Sagarin, NY Times
- 1993: National Championship Foundation
- 2004: Several, including Darryl Perry and GBE College Football Ratings
- 2010: AP, BCS
- 1910: Maxwell Ratings (Loren Maxwell), College Football Rankings (Kyle Matschke)
- 1913: Billingsley MOV (Margin of Victory)
- 1914: James Howell’s Power Ratings System
- 1957: AP
- 1958: Montgomery Full Season Championship (David Montgomery)
- 1983: Billingsley, FACT, Football Research, Sagarin, NY Times
- 1993: National Championship Foundation
- 2004: Several, including Darryl Perry and GBE College Football Ratings
- 2010: AP, BCS
re: Is Auburn really claiming 1958?
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/20/25 at 11:36 am to captdalton
Have a source for this? The Montgomery Advertiser?
What I've read in the recent claims is that the "Montgomery Full Season Championship" selected them?
What was this? Where was it published? When?
What I've read in the recent claims is that the "Montgomery Full Season Championship" selected them?
What was this? Where was it published? When?
re: When did the “Modern Era” of College Football begin?
Posted by MajorSelector on 7/19/24 at 2:19 pm to UTATX
re: When did the “Modern Era” of College Football begin?
Posted by MajorSelector on 7/19/24 at 4:39 am to Dawgfanman
1985
National championship in 1984 was a farce, going to the December 21 Holiday Bowl winner BYU.
The Powers That Be created modern football and ensured that would never happen again.
Set up true National Championship Games in the Fiesta/Orange Bowls to close out the 1980s.
After split titles in 1990/1991, created official rules to eliminate those going forward via the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance.
Made the Rose Bowl bend the knee and join the BCS.
Created the College Football Playoff.
National championship in 1984 was a farce, going to the December 21 Holiday Bowl winner BYU.
The Powers That Be created modern football and ensured that would never happen again.
Set up true National Championship Games in the Fiesta/Orange Bowls to close out the 1980s.
After split titles in 1990/1991, created official rules to eliminate those going forward via the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance.
Made the Rose Bowl bend the knee and join the BCS.
Created the College Football Playoff.
re: Grubb staying at Bama, not going to the Seahawks
Posted by MajorSelector on 2/9/24 at 11:28 pm to MetryMauler
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re: Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/17/24 at 3:07 pm to GoGators1995
Everyone has always seen the 1941 title as suspect.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
The Houlgate System was a math rating system distributed in newspapers in the 1930s. It awarded pre-bowl national championships.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.
13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:
This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.
13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:
This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
re: By the logic of some here…shouldn’t Penix win the Heisman?
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:42 pm to LSUgrad88
he had the flu bro
re: How does college football have a committee to select 4 teams they perceive as the best
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:38 pm to JTA1985
Because all the teams can't play each other
re: Seminoles should Pull a Trojan
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:37 pm to MajorSelector
FSU is currently AP No. 4, Alabama AP No. 5.
I could maybe see that AP Poll order holding if FSU wins and Alabama is CFP champion... but the one extra game helps Bama a lot. Didn't have that in 2003.
I could maybe see that AP Poll order holding if FSU wins and Alabama is CFP champion... but the one extra game helps Bama a lot. Didn't have that in 2003.
re: Seminoles should Pull a Trojan
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:31 pm to Tenntig
USC was No. 1 in BOTH the AP Poll and Coaches Poll prior to the BCS selection.
It didn't require any special politicking... the AP voters were themselves motivated to keep USC there at No. 1 when they didn't lose.
Coaches might have done the same... but they were contractually obligated to vote for the BCS champion. That was the agreement to have their crystal football trophy be the one on the field after the game.
It didn't require any special politicking... the AP voters were themselves motivated to keep USC there at No. 1 when they didn't lose.
Coaches might have done the same... but they were contractually obligated to vote for the BCS champion. That was the agreement to have their crystal football trophy be the one on the field after the game.
re: It been 84 years
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 1:27 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
there were multiple polls before the AP Poll
Albert Russel Erskine Trophy
> The Albert Russel Erskine Trophy, emblematic of the national football championship as determined by 250 sports writers, will be presented to Notre Dame, 1929 winner, at the Pittsburgh–Notre Dame basketball game in this city, February 8.
For 1931 it was awarded to the winner of the Rose Bowl, a true national championship game:
> Southern California's 21–12 victory over Tulane brought the Trojans the Albert Russell Erskine football trophy and the national grid championship for 1931. Presentation of the trophy was made in front of the Trojan rooting section following the game by William R. Moorehouse, member of the Erskine award board. The Erskine award brought a Studebaker President eight sedan to Coach Howard Jones, an engraved cup to the University of Southern California and a scroll signifying the national championship to the Trojan team.
Toledo Cup
> (1934) The selection of Minnesota was made by 250 sports editors of newspapers from coast to coast. This team won the preliminary ballot over 11 other teams and then went on to carry the final ballot over Alabama by 224 to 23.
Albert Russel Erskine Trophy
> The Albert Russel Erskine Trophy, emblematic of the national football championship as determined by 250 sports writers, will be presented to Notre Dame, 1929 winner, at the Pittsburgh–Notre Dame basketball game in this city, February 8.
For 1931 it was awarded to the winner of the Rose Bowl, a true national championship game:
> Southern California's 21–12 victory over Tulane brought the Trojans the Albert Russell Erskine football trophy and the national grid championship for 1931. Presentation of the trophy was made in front of the Trojan rooting section following the game by William R. Moorehouse, member of the Erskine award board. The Erskine award brought a Studebaker President eight sedan to Coach Howard Jones, an engraved cup to the University of Southern California and a scroll signifying the national championship to the Trojan team.
Toledo Cup
> (1934) The selection of Minnesota was made by 250 sports editors of newspapers from coast to coast. This team won the preliminary ballot over 11 other teams and then went on to carry the final ballot over Alabama by 224 to 23.
re: Another National Championship
Posted by MajorSelector on 10/29/23 at 9:38 pm to Fearless_and_True
Quick, post rare unclaimed Auburn national championships.
1910 - Auburn - NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - Billingsley Report - NCAA-designated major selector
Appears in the 1996-1999 NCAA records book.
The original Billingsley Report formula, before he was forced to change it to accommodate the BCS.
1910 - Auburn - NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - Billingsley Report - NCAA-designated major selector
Appears in the 1996-1999 NCAA records book.
The original Billingsley Report formula, before he was forced to change it to accommodate the BCS.
re: Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 18 but most are questionable
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/14/23 at 2:53 pm to Evolved Simian
Not all titles, even if you go with this exceedingly spurious definition of "retroactive".
USC was awarded a national championship trophy on the field of the 1932 Rose Bowl.
The MacArthur Bowl was directly awarded to the winners of the 1972 Orange Bowl and 1973 Sugar Bowl.
USC was awarded a national championship trophy on the field of the 1932 Rose Bowl.
The MacArthur Bowl was directly awarded to the winners of the 1972 Orange Bowl and 1973 Sugar Bowl.
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