MajorSelector
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re: When did the “Modern Era” of College Football begin?
Posted by MajorSelector on 7/19/24 at 2:19 pm
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re: When did the “Modern Era” of College Football begin?
Posted by MajorSelector on 7/19/24 at 4:39 am
1985
National championship in 1984 was a farce, going to the December 21 Holiday Bowl winner BYU.
The Powers That Be created modern football and ensured that would never happen again.
Set up true National Championship Games in the Fiesta/Orange Bowls to close out the 1980s.
After split titles in 1990/1991, created official rules to eliminate those going forward via the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance.
Made the Rose Bowl bend the knee and join the BCS.
Created the College Football Playoff.
National championship in 1984 was a farce, going to the December 21 Holiday Bowl winner BYU.
The Powers That Be created modern football and ensured that would never happen again.
Set up true National Championship Games in the Fiesta/Orange Bowls to close out the 1980s.
After split titles in 1990/1991, created official rules to eliminate those going forward via the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance.
Made the Rose Bowl bend the knee and join the BCS.
Created the College Football Playoff.
re: Grubb staying at Bama, not going to the Seahawks
Posted by MajorSelector on 2/9/24 at 11:28 pm
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re: Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/17/24 at 3:07 pm
Everyone has always seen the 1941 title as suspect.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
The new info here is that it was retroactively awarded in 1954.
The go-to defense was that *someone* awarded them the national championship, so it's worth recognizing. They knew they were national champions in 1941 so let's claim it.
1954 is a whole 'nother animal. No one in Alabama read this book.
Alabama's 1941 national championship was first awarded in 1954
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/17/24 at 2:51 pm
The Houlgate System was a math rating system distributed in newspapers in the 1930s. It awarded pre-bowl national championships.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.
13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:
This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
It also awarded a trophy to the pre-bowl champion, the Foreman & Clark Trophy. (Anyone know where it is today? Stanford, SMU, and LSU had it from 1934–1936.)
On December 2, 1941, five days before Pearl Harbor, in his "final selections", Deke Houlgate "placed the Golden Gophers of Minnesota in the top spot in national standings." Alabama was 3rd.
13 years later, in 1954, Houlgate published the second edition of "The Football Thesaurus". In this book, he recounted the history of football and updated his Houlgate System rankings to include Bowl Games. Scans here.
In 1954, this is all that was written about Alabama 1941's national championship:
This book, in 1954, is the first instance of Houlgate naming Alabama for 1941. It was not a contemporary selection.
Years later, in 1967, sportswriter Dan Jenkins wrote an article for Sports Illustrated in which he went back and tabulated all of the various national championship selectors over the years. Jenkins listed Houlgate as "Thesaurus," making clear the book is where he got his info, and listed the selection as Alabama (not Minnesota).
This 1967 Sports Illustrated article is almost certainly where Alabama SDI Wayne Atcheson got his info when adding national championships in the 1980s. Alabam's claims today include all 8 of the Alabama selections in the Sports Illustrated article. 1966 is not listed for Alabama in the SI article, thus it is not claimed today (despite now being in the NCAA records book).
The 1941 title was retroactively awarded in 1954.
re: By the logic of some here…shouldn’t Penix win the Heisman?
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:42 pm
he had the flu bro
re: How does college football have a committee to select 4 teams they perceive as the best
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:38 pm
Because all the teams can't play each other
re: Seminoles should Pull a Trojan
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:37 pm
FSU is currently AP No. 4, Alabama AP No. 5.
I could maybe see that AP Poll order holding if FSU wins and Alabama is CFP champion... but the one extra game helps Bama a lot. Didn't have that in 2003.
I could maybe see that AP Poll order holding if FSU wins and Alabama is CFP champion... but the one extra game helps Bama a lot. Didn't have that in 2003.
re: Seminoles should Pull a Trojan
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 6:31 pm
USC was No. 1 in BOTH the AP Poll and Coaches Poll prior to the BCS selection.
It didn't require any special politicking... the AP voters were themselves motivated to keep USC there at No. 1 when they didn't lose.
Coaches might have done the same... but they were contractually obligated to vote for the BCS champion. That was the agreement to have their crystal football trophy be the one on the field after the game.
It didn't require any special politicking... the AP voters were themselves motivated to keep USC there at No. 1 when they didn't lose.
Coaches might have done the same... but they were contractually obligated to vote for the BCS champion. That was the agreement to have their crystal football trophy be the one on the field after the game.
re: It been 84 years
Posted by MajorSelector on 12/4/23 at 1:27 pm
there were multiple polls before the AP Poll
Albert Russel Erskine Trophy
> The Albert Russel Erskine Trophy, emblematic of the national football championship as determined by 250 sports writers, will be presented to Notre Dame, 1929 winner, at the Pittsburgh–Notre Dame basketball game in this city, February 8.
For 1931 it was awarded to the winner of the Rose Bowl, a true national championship game:
> Southern California's 21–12 victory over Tulane brought the Trojans the Albert Russell Erskine football trophy and the national grid championship for 1931. Presentation of the trophy was made in front of the Trojan rooting section following the game by William R. Moorehouse, member of the Erskine award board. The Erskine award brought a Studebaker President eight sedan to Coach Howard Jones, an engraved cup to the University of Southern California and a scroll signifying the national championship to the Trojan team.
Toledo Cup
> (1934) The selection of Minnesota was made by 250 sports editors of newspapers from coast to coast. This team won the preliminary ballot over 11 other teams and then went on to carry the final ballot over Alabama by 224 to 23.
Albert Russel Erskine Trophy
> The Albert Russel Erskine Trophy, emblematic of the national football championship as determined by 250 sports writers, will be presented to Notre Dame, 1929 winner, at the Pittsburgh–Notre Dame basketball game in this city, February 8.
For 1931 it was awarded to the winner of the Rose Bowl, a true national championship game:
> Southern California's 21–12 victory over Tulane brought the Trojans the Albert Russell Erskine football trophy and the national grid championship for 1931. Presentation of the trophy was made in front of the Trojan rooting section following the game by William R. Moorehouse, member of the Erskine award board. The Erskine award brought a Studebaker President eight sedan to Coach Howard Jones, an engraved cup to the University of Southern California and a scroll signifying the national championship to the Trojan team.
Toledo Cup
> (1934) The selection of Minnesota was made by 250 sports editors of newspapers from coast to coast. This team won the preliminary ballot over 11 other teams and then went on to carry the final ballot over Alabama by 224 to 23.
re: Another National Championship
Posted by MajorSelector on 10/29/23 at 9:38 pm
Quick, post rare unclaimed Auburn national championships.
1910 - Auburn - NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - Billingsley Report - NCAA-designated major selector
Appears in the 1996-1999 NCAA records book.
The original Billingsley Report formula, before he was forced to change it to accommodate the BCS.
1910 - Auburn - NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - Billingsley Report - NCAA-designated major selector
Appears in the 1996-1999 NCAA records book.
The original Billingsley Report formula, before he was forced to change it to accommodate the BCS.
re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 18 but most are questionable
Posted by MajorSelector on 8/14/23 at 2:53 pm
Not all titles, even if you go with this exceedingly spurious definition of "retroactive".
USC was awarded a national championship trophy on the field of the 1932 Rose Bowl.
The MacArthur Bowl was directly awarded to the winners of the 1972 Orange Bowl and 1973 Sugar Bowl.
USC was awarded a national championship trophy on the field of the 1932 Rose Bowl.
The MacArthur Bowl was directly awarded to the winners of the 1972 Orange Bowl and 1973 Sugar Bowl.
re: Tennessee's 1940 national championship... was actually won by Stanford
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/28/23 at 12:39 pm
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Eh, anything before the BCS is fair game. They were all mythical.
This Williamson title is especially mythical in that they didn't even win it :rotflmao:
re: Realistically how far is Texas A&M and Tennessee
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/28/23 at 1:23 am
re: Tennessee's 1940 national championship... was actually won by Stanford
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/28/23 at 1:07 am
1941 is on my list! :cheers:
Tennessee's 1940 national championship... was actually won by Stanford
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/28/23 at 12:49 am
Here's the NCAA record book's thoughts on the 1940 national championship.
Tennessee was apparently chosen by Dunkel and Williamson.
One of the selectors is the "Williamson System", a mathematical system. It was syndicated in major newspapers.
Tennessee claims that title based of Dunkel and Williamson:
Only one problem with that selection in the NCAA book:
:Violin: :Violin: :Violin:
Oops... :loser:
:govols: :govols: :govols:
Tennessee was apparently chosen by Dunkel and Williamson.
One of the selectors is the "Williamson System", a mathematical system. It was syndicated in major newspapers.
Tennessee claims that title based of Dunkel and Williamson:
Only one problem with that selection in the NCAA book:
:Violin: :Violin: :Violin:
Oops... :loser:
:govols: :govols: :govols:
re: UPDATE..Bogus National Title claims: Alabama claims 18 but most are questionable
Posted by MajorSelector on 1/27/23 at 9:44 pm
Has anyone mentioned that Alabama's 1941 Houlgate System title was awarded retroactively in 1954??
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