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Why would you fire the DC?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:22 am
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:22 am
Explain to me so that I can understand why firing Todd Grantham is such a good idea ahead of his contract expiring in 2016?
I'm all ears...
I'm all ears...
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:07 am to BarberitosDawg
Just like any other job...REsults are far below expectations. Not getting the job done. Not improving. Top defensive talent, bottom 50 defense. Always having an excuse...etc, etc.
I am not saying I am on the fire TG bandwagon, but I would be fine with it if they did.
I am not saying I am on the fire TG bandwagon, but I would be fine with it if they did.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 6:36 am to BarberitosDawg
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Not getting the job done. Not improving
Posted on 12/5/13 at 6:42 am to DawgCountry
It would be harder for you to explain why we should keep him
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:13 am to Charlestondawg
I was asking the forum because of the incessant ranting against him specifically. Honestly I don't have enough of a reason to offset the cost involved at this time in my mind if it was my decision, which of course it isn't.
Cost:
Monetary
Recruiting
Time development
Gain:
Public Relations
Recruiting
Cost:
Monetary
Recruiting
Time development
Gain:
Public Relations
Recruiting
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:22 am to BarberitosDawg
I'm with you BD. I think Grantham is a good defensive coordinator. I don't think he's great, and we need to be on the lookout for an upgrade when his contract expires, but I don't think he is so bad he needs to be fired on the spot.
We only had 3 returning starter on defense and we all knew we would be starting some freshmen and hoped to put together a mediocre defense. That's exactly what we got. We knew we'd have to outscore people. We did well with that until the injuries.
We only had 3 returning starter on defense and we all knew we would be starting some freshmen and hoped to put together a mediocre defense. That's exactly what we got. We knew we'd have to outscore people. We did well with that until the injuries.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:23 am to BarberitosDawg
We've got plenty of money. My guess is a new corch with a new system would start day 1 ahead of the Chinese fire drill we ran last year. The rest of your list is wrong. Losing and looking bad hurts recruiting.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:34 am to BarberitosDawg
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Why would you fire the DC?
Because he's fielded the worst defense in school history. Because other than a year where he had roughly 7 guys who the very next year were on NFL rosters he has been average at best against good competition. Because his substitution patterns are terrible and his defense cost us an SEC and national title. Because his playbook is more complex than an NFL playbook.
Those are some reasons. And the thing is I WANT to like him. I loved the choke sign, I loved his tift with franklin. I just want results, period. There is nothing to say about this year's defense, it was atrocious. If next year's is good I'll change my opinion on him some, but there is nothing you can say to redeem this year's defense. It was garbage.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:40 am to BarberitosDawg
3 straight years of declining performance/rankings for defensive statistics.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:50 am to WG_Dawg
"To whom much is granted, much is expected."
CTG has chronically underperformed while having been given or earned superior material (players) to do his job. When you're Coastal Carolina and you lose 11 players who started last year on defense at some point, you'd be forced to play from further down on the depth chart or use true freshmen, too. Folks probably wouldn't think it unreasonable that you'd have a hard time fielding a solid D. You're Coastal Carolina.
Not the case here. This is Georgia. 4 years in, if you don't have sufficient depth and competent players in your scheme, then it's because you did a piss-poor job of evaluating talent. OR you got great talent, but you've done a deplorable job of keeping your scheme digestible, so it can be built upon as they show competency.
That, or you suck at coaching up the highly-ranked recruits that you won over to your school, (you know, the kids who were good enough to recruit in the first place) promising them great things from your Wile E. Coyote defense.
CTG has chronically underperformed while having been given or earned superior material (players) to do his job. When you're Coastal Carolina and you lose 11 players who started last year on defense at some point, you'd be forced to play from further down on the depth chart or use true freshmen, too. Folks probably wouldn't think it unreasonable that you'd have a hard time fielding a solid D. You're Coastal Carolina.
Not the case here. This is Georgia. 4 years in, if you don't have sufficient depth and competent players in your scheme, then it's because you did a piss-poor job of evaluating talent. OR you got great talent, but you've done a deplorable job of keeping your scheme digestible, so it can be built upon as they show competency.
That, or you suck at coaching up the highly-ranked recruits that you won over to your school, (you know, the kids who were good enough to recruit in the first place) promising them great things from your Wile E. Coyote defense.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 7:59 am
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:54 am to WorkinDawg
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We've got plenty of money.
Nothing gets on my nerves more than this statement regarding UGA. WE do not have plenty of money! UGA has plenty of money. Just because you give McDonald's money for a burger, doesn't mean you get to tell them how to spend it after the burger is eaten.
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:02 am to BarberitosDawg
Inability to overcome adversity and adapt to circumstances. Sure, he had a lot of new personnel. But he knew this. Hell, he helped to create this issue.
Look at how our offense responded to injuries. Clearly, the players who stepped up were ready or near ready. Not so on defense. Nor on ST. CTG is the 'associate head coach', so he gets a piece of the ST fail.
Look at how our offense responded to injuries. Clearly, the players who stepped up were ready or near ready. Not so on defense. Nor on ST. CTG is the 'associate head coach', so he gets a piece of the ST fail.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:05 am to WorkinDawg
quote:We're the biggest tight wads when it comes to spending money though. We're falling behind other programs because of our refusal to spend money.
We've got plenty of money
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:21 am to BarberitosDawg
2012-The worst rushing defense in the history of UGA FB with 8 NFL players
2013-The 2nd worse PPG total in UGA FB
Also last in pics and 2nd worst in turnover
margin in the SEC.Don't care that much about
passing yards but you sure as hell better get
some pics or turnovers if you're giving up
that many passing yards.
2013-The 2nd worse PPG total in UGA FB
Also last in pics and 2nd worst in turnover
margin in the SEC.Don't care that much about
passing yards but you sure as hell better get
some pics or turnovers if you're giving up
that many passing yards.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:27 am to BarberitosDawg
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Why would you fire the DC?
If I had a proven alternative waiting in the wings, I would absolutely replace Grantham at the end of this season. I don't think we are attracting many if any 5 star recruits who want to play for Grantham. However, I would not fire him without a competent replacement ready and willing opening up the job to a arduous search process.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:45 am to VoxDawg
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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If a defensive player is good enough to be recruited by us, that tells me a couple of things:
He's probably recruited by 10+ FBS schools, too.
If that many schools are after a kid, then his fundamentals are pretty sound.
If his fundamentals are sound, then it's a safe assumption that he was tackling in HS.
If he was tackling properly in high school, but is getting sloppy at UGA, then he's learned/learning bad habits from someone.
If he's digressed in technique due to bad habits from HS to UGA, then his position coach and coordinator are responsible.
If his position coach and coordinator are responsible, and it's widespread across the unit with multiple players, then they need to be underemployed.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:47 am to davesdawgs
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However, I would not fire him without a competent replacement ready
How much more of grantham do we need to see before we say that he is incompetent? This "let's wait til we can get someone better" thing is VERY valid and has a lot of merit when talking about Richt's status..but it's completely different for a DC. After 4 years, if he sucks and it's not working, move on immediately.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:04 am to WG_Dawg
Fair comments by everyone so lets take a look at his past resume and see why we hired him in the first place.
I will present these one at a time for group discussion.
A.) Indianapolis Colts (1999-2001)[edit]
Grantham was hired by Jim Mora in 1998 to coach the Defensive Line. His D-Line was one of the catalysts of the biggest turnaround in league history (3-13 to 13-3), ultimately helping the Colts defense compile 56 sacks in two years, which was a club record since moving to Indianapolis. During his tenure in Indianapolis, the Colts had a 29-19 record.
Why was he so successful here and not at UGA?
I will present these one at a time for group discussion.
A.) Indianapolis Colts (1999-2001)[edit]
Grantham was hired by Jim Mora in 1998 to coach the Defensive Line. His D-Line was one of the catalysts of the biggest turnaround in league history (3-13 to 13-3), ultimately helping the Colts defense compile 56 sacks in two years, which was a club record since moving to Indianapolis. During his tenure in Indianapolis, the Colts had a 29-19 record.
Why was he so successful here and not at UGA?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:06 am to WG_Dawg
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How much more of grantham do we need to see before we say that he is incompetent? This "let's wait til we can get someone better" thing is VERY valid and has a lot of merit when talking about Richt's status..but it's completely different for a DC. After 4 years, if he sucks and it's not working, move on immediately.
While I agree, I simply don't know who we could get that would be better. What I want is a proven DC with a lot of college experience like Chavis or Bud Foster at VT. If we can't get a proven winner then we are basically rolling the dice again like we did when we replaced Martinez with Grantham which at this point I'm not sure was an upgrade.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:14 am to BarberitosDawg
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A.) Indianapolis Colts (1999-2001
C'mon man..that's frickin 12 YEARS ago. BVG was a top 2 DC in UGA history, and he sucked eggs at auburn, and that was only a 7 year difference.
I don't care what grantham did in the NFL as a DL coach. I care about what he's done as DC at UGA.
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