re: UGA Basketball Season Long Thread (19-15, 10-10) // Season Complete

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No one used the word "elite" until you typed it.

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Harrick never got Georgia beyond the first weekend of the tournament. His success is wildly overblown in this thread.

Note: I'm largely with you here, but I do think you're discounting Harrick a bit.

2001 wasn't a *great* team, but it was also only Harrick's second year after inheriting a team on the decline from Jirsa. That's a pretty good turnaround in year 2 to be in the same conversation as a "Vanderbilt" of this year, who has now taken out Florida twice... I'll take a team that wins big games and maybe loses a few they shouldn't over a team that generally loses big games against elite competition and still sometimes slips up and loses to teams they shouldn't as well.

If just over .500 basketball but having some top tier wins is enough to get in the tournament, then I'll trade Fox's 20 win seasons for .500 basketball and some top tier wins literally any day. His job is to get into the tournament and win games there. Harrick was able to get teams in the tournament... at the end of the day the only way to get more tournament wins is by increasing your tournament "at bats".

Definitely wouldn't describe UGA as elite during Harrick's tenure, but certainly would say they were on the rise. Gross overcorrection by the university to sit out the tournament in 2003 which ultimately had little to no impact on the results of the NCAA investigation or penalties. And again, people want to complain that the fan support isn't high enough and that's some excuse for Fox. Harrick had the fan support and he had it in droves... that to me is a bigger differentiator, because ultimately if we had that support right now we probably *could* have a new arena to play in, and the "AD Support" that people seem to think is missing would likely not be an issue.

To be clear, I definitely think Harrick was several levels above where Fox has ever been and will ever get to.

Harrick's 2002 team was probably good enough to beat UConn had they not blown it against SIU. I don't think they would have beaten Maryland (2002 Maryland was an incredible team) but who knows, maybe the admins wouldn't have been so quick to drop the hammer on Harrick if he had been coming off of an Elite Eight run.

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Harrick never got Georgia beyond the first weekend of the tournament. His success is wildly overblown in this thread.

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Overblown only if someone used the word "elite" to describe his success.

25 total top 50 wins with an average RPI of 16 in his final 3 years isn't elite, but its far better than what you will credit him for.

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When you attempted to discredit Harrick's success at the same time dd22 was trying to do the same.

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Huge difference is he was doing it to support Fox. I was trying to point out that 16-15 and a #8 seed in the tournament (with a first round exit) shouldn't be looked at as a successful season.

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I probably did sell Harrick short a bit but I also look at tournament success more than anything else, even if it is more random than the regular season.

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I understand the idea that dance success matters above all, but full seasons get you to the dance, and they offer a comprehensive review of the 30+ game season.

Its a damn shame we never got to see our 2003 team get their shot. Looking back, the sky was the limit. They were 10-4 vs top 50, #1 SOS, and #5 RPI. Would have been a #2/3 seed.

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So your saying Kelvin Sampson should be coach next year.....

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Out of curiosity, was there anything on him other than the grossly ridiculous number of impermissible calls to recruits (and then the claim that he lied about it)? Pretty sure that rule and the need for "calls" in the traditional sense has all but been obliterated with the modern communication landscape of DMs on twitter, texts, etc. Not saying we should go after him or anything necessarily, but certainly a weird thing to get hit with a 5 year show cause for, other than the fact that it was so consistent and then he did it again after already having been caught during his time at Oklahoma.

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Indiana hired Sampson even though he was being investigated by the NCAA, and a couple of months after being introduced as Davis’ replacement, the NCAA ruled that Sampson and his staff at Oklahoma made 577 impermissible phone calls and banned him from placing phone calls to recruits and recruiting off campus for a year. Indiana could’ve fired him right there, but they chose to stick with Sampson and believe that he would never break the rules at Indiana. For a time it looked like the right move.

The Indiana athletic department announced that Sampson and his staff had committed a series of recruiting violations having to do with more illegal phone calls. It cost assistant coach Rob Senderhoff his job and there was speculation that Sampson could be let go as well. I had a radio show at the IU student station, WIUX, and I said he should’ve been fired right then. For 46 years, Indiana basketball hadn’t committed a single NCAA violation. We let the stuff at Oklahoma slide and it burned us, though it would be four months until we knew how bad.

Late on the night of February 12, Andy Katz of ESPN reported Indiana had received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA. Among other things, the NCAA said Sampson did not comply restrictions imposed for the violations at Oklahoma, that he lied to the NCAA, and that he failed to promote an atmosphere of rules compliance within the IU basketball program. He embarrassed the school, tarnished reputation of the program, and it was only just beginning.

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It was all just a big misunderstanding. We should hire him just like we did Harrick... no one will be watching him at UGA...

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Not sure where you're getting that.

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Not saying we should go after him or anything necessarily,

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I was just legitimately curious if there was anything that was found beyond the calls... I remembered the ridiculous number of impermissible calls, but that rule is now defunct anyways. The "culture of compliance" bit is what they throw on anytime someone at the top is setting a poor example. I see the comment about "just the beginning", but ultimately every article essentially cuts it there... no one seems to indicate anything beyond the calls (and then apparently some off campus recruiting that he was not supposed to be a part of due to his penalties from Oklahoma I guess?).

Firstly, I don't even think he'd be one of the best available, and second, I don't see the university going after anyone with a particularly noteworthy past like that. Steve Forbes might get the tap if he's available, but he only had a 1 year show cause from UT.