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Too Early Offensive Depth Chart?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:12 am
Please make corrections where you think. I'm sure I missed something or have misplaced someone.
I'm just trying to get a gauge of where our offense stands. I input their recruitment stars just for some kind of quality reference, but I know some of these guys have not lived up to their rating and some have also exceeded theirs.
QB: Transfer?? | Mathis(4*) | Beck(4*) | Bennett(3*) - Mathis was cleared medically
RB1: White(5*) | ?? (could be Daijun Edwards?)
RB2: McIntosh(4*) | Milton(4*)
RB3/HB: Cook(4*)
WRX: Pickins(5*) | Landers(4*) | Bush(4*) | Robinson(4*)
WRY/Slot: Robertson(5*) | Burton(4*) | A. Smith(4*)
LT: Truss(4*) | Condon(3*) | Jones(5*)
LG: Hill(4*) | Shaffer(4*) | Ratledge(4*) | Willock(3*) - note that Shaffer could be delayed by neck injury
C: Webb(5*) | Van Pran(4*) | Ericson(4*)
RG: Cleveland(4*) | Ericson(4*) | Lindberg(4*) | Blaske(3*) - note that Cleveland could be academically ineligible or could still declare for the draft
RT: Salyer(5*) | McClendon(4*) | Ratledge(4*)
TE1: Washington(5*) | ?? (likely still bringing in another transfer or recruit)
TE2: Fitzpatrick(4*) | Goede(4*)
WRZ: Rosemy(4*) | Jackson(4*) | Tongue(4*) | Blount(4*) | Blaylock(5*) - Blaylock at the end because he's coming off a serious injury so setting expectations low
By the looks of this, we're still in very good shape. Much better shape than the doom and gloom negadawgs are making us out to be.
We obviously need a viable QB, which could be Mathis, Beck, or a transfer, and we are still a little thin at the RB spot and are almost assuredly still bringing in another. Probably will bring in another TE transfer (like Wolf) again, too.
On the OL, IF Ben Cleveland ends up ineligible or he declares for the draft, I suspect Salyer would move back inside to guard and McClendon would move up to starting RT. Or it's quite possible Ericson moves up to starting RG. I'm fairly confident Hill is moving to LG and Webb will be our starting Center. Van Pran is a beast and could become a starter anywhere on the interior by mid-season. Especially if Shaffer is still injured for a while and if Cleveland is ineligible. It's crazy that Van Pran isn't a 5*. He was by far the best offensive lineman at the AA game.
I also suspect Truss, McClendon, or even possibly Condon will be the starting LT. As a result, this could be a weak spot on the OL, but lets wait and see. Everything else is very solid. I do not think any of the freshmen OT's will start anywhere. This includes Jones as he is still slightly undersized and I just don't see him moving past Truss or McClendon. Ratledge and/or Lindberg could see some spot time inside at either guard spot mid-season, but they're not ready for SEC DL's right out the gate.
The receiving corps looks great. Rosemy is another guy I can't believe isn't a 5*. Watch his film and he's lightyears better than everyone else on the field. He should become the starter opposite Pickins by the time the season begins, unless Blaylock has a miracle speedy recovery. And if Robertson continues to drop balls, watch for Burton and Smith to possibly supplant him, too.
It pains me to put Landers in the depth chart and that's all I have to say about that.
Is this a championship caliber offense? It's quite possible if you take into consideration we'll likely have a top-3 in college football defense which will hand our offense an extra possession or two most games.
We still have crazy good talent all over that offense. If we can get the right QB at the helm, I think everything else can certainly fall in place. Maybe even surprise the shite out of us.
I'm just trying to get a gauge of where our offense stands. I input their recruitment stars just for some kind of quality reference, but I know some of these guys have not lived up to their rating and some have also exceeded theirs.
QB: Transfer?? | Mathis(4*) | Beck(4*) | Bennett(3*) - Mathis was cleared medically
RB1: White(5*) | ?? (could be Daijun Edwards?)
RB2: McIntosh(4*) | Milton(4*)
RB3/HB: Cook(4*)
WRX: Pickins(5*) | Landers(4*) | Bush(4*) | Robinson(4*)
WRY/Slot: Robertson(5*) | Burton(4*) | A. Smith(4*)
LT: Truss(4*) | Condon(3*) | Jones(5*)
LG: Hill(4*) | Shaffer(4*) | Ratledge(4*) | Willock(3*) - note that Shaffer could be delayed by neck injury
C: Webb(5*) | Van Pran(4*) | Ericson(4*)
RG: Cleveland(4*) | Ericson(4*) | Lindberg(4*) | Blaske(3*) - note that Cleveland could be academically ineligible or could still declare for the draft
RT: Salyer(5*) | McClendon(4*) | Ratledge(4*)
TE1: Washington(5*) | ?? (likely still bringing in another transfer or recruit)
TE2: Fitzpatrick(4*) | Goede(4*)
WRZ: Rosemy(4*) | Jackson(4*) | Tongue(4*) | Blount(4*) | Blaylock(5*) - Blaylock at the end because he's coming off a serious injury so setting expectations low
By the looks of this, we're still in very good shape. Much better shape than the doom and gloom negadawgs are making us out to be.
We obviously need a viable QB, which could be Mathis, Beck, or a transfer, and we are still a little thin at the RB spot and are almost assuredly still bringing in another. Probably will bring in another TE transfer (like Wolf) again, too.
On the OL, IF Ben Cleveland ends up ineligible or he declares for the draft, I suspect Salyer would move back inside to guard and McClendon would move up to starting RT. Or it's quite possible Ericson moves up to starting RG. I'm fairly confident Hill is moving to LG and Webb will be our starting Center. Van Pran is a beast and could become a starter anywhere on the interior by mid-season. Especially if Shaffer is still injured for a while and if Cleveland is ineligible. It's crazy that Van Pran isn't a 5*. He was by far the best offensive lineman at the AA game.
I also suspect Truss, McClendon, or even possibly Condon will be the starting LT. As a result, this could be a weak spot on the OL, but lets wait and see. Everything else is very solid. I do not think any of the freshmen OT's will start anywhere. This includes Jones as he is still slightly undersized and I just don't see him moving past Truss or McClendon. Ratledge and/or Lindberg could see some spot time inside at either guard spot mid-season, but they're not ready for SEC DL's right out the gate.
The receiving corps looks great. Rosemy is another guy I can't believe isn't a 5*. Watch his film and he's lightyears better than everyone else on the field. He should become the starter opposite Pickins by the time the season begins, unless Blaylock has a miracle speedy recovery. And if Robertson continues to drop balls, watch for Burton and Smith to possibly supplant him, too.
It pains me to put Landers in the depth chart and that's all I have to say about that.
Is this a championship caliber offense? It's quite possible if you take into consideration we'll likely have a top-3 in college football defense which will hand our offense an extra possession or two most games.
We still have crazy good talent all over that offense. If we can get the right QB at the helm, I think everything else can certainly fall in place. Maybe even surprise the shite out of us.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 12:53 pm
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:16 am to BeefDawg
We need to make some moves like LSU did with bringing in Joe Brady. If this is the Coley show again I expect our offense to continue to struggle.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:31 am to BeefDawg
Until further notice, I would pencil in Beck as the starter with Bennett behind him. Don't know Mathis health status but he know the play book. Beck is on campus working out with the team. We will have a good Oline, 4* and 5* replacements. I see Zeus having a big year. Beck could replicate Fromm's freshman year as game manager.
**This is my worse case scenario if we don't pull a good grad transfer QB**
**This is my worse case scenario if we don't pull a good grad transfer QB**
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:39 am to BeefDawg
Good breakdown. Obviously the OL experience takes a hit, but we have 9 returning guys, 6 of whom will be RS SO, JR or SR. Average composite rating 0.9345. Plus Netori could still move back if need be. From what I've read elsewhere, Ben's academic situation won't be difficult to resolve so let's hope he stays. Other than Pickens, receiver spots are wide open but plenty of talent.
Hopefully we'll see some changes in scheme, because a frontal assault with the running game isn't a good plan for 2020.
Hopefully we'll see some changes in scheme, because a frontal assault with the running game isn't a good plan for 2020.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:42 am to DawgRff
I like Beck too. The question is how quickly he picks things up, but his HS coach really talks up his mental aptitude for the position. Hope he's right.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:21 pm to BeefDawg
I think we may have different definitions of X and Z receivers.
I'd swap them.
I dont think TE1 or 2 means much. Both will get snaps at 1, and both will be on the field at the same time.
I'm very curious about the C spot. Having a returning starter is huge. But moving Hill probably gets the best 5 on the field. I see it as playing the long game or the short game on the line. The short game is probably best to go into tuscaloosa with Hill at C. The long game would be Webb (potential 4 year starter. Potential 12 game starter by the time we get to SECCG which is almost equivalent to Hill today)
I'd swap them.
I dont think TE1 or 2 means much. Both will get snaps at 1, and both will be on the field at the same time.
I'm very curious about the C spot. Having a returning starter is huge. But moving Hill probably gets the best 5 on the field. I see it as playing the long game or the short game on the line. The short game is probably best to go into tuscaloosa with Hill at C. The long game would be Webb (potential 4 year starter. Potential 12 game starter by the time we get to SECCG which is almost equivalent to Hill today)
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:42 pm to BeefDawg
Good job on putting this together.
It's very difficult to get a good handle on what shape we are in without seeing it laid out like this. I am guessing that is where some of the negativity comes from. You look at the amount of talent we are losing and it looks like we are in trouble...until you see what is returning.
Not that it is important, but I think Ericson was a 3*. My only caveat might be that I think Webb was wanting to play Guard and not center. It's hard to tell if that holds true or changes, though.
Thanks for putting this together!
It's very difficult to get a good handle on what shape we are in without seeing it laid out like this. I am guessing that is where some of the negativity comes from. You look at the amount of talent we are losing and it looks like we are in trouble...until you see what is returning.
Not that it is important, but I think Ericson was a 3*. My only caveat might be that I think Webb was wanting to play Guard and not center. It's hard to tell if that holds true or changes, though.
Thanks for putting this together!
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:46 pm to DawgRff
I have a feeling Mathis will be the starter come the Virginia game.
Any chance of adding additional OLine in the upcoming signing period? They may be thrust into the starting job. This will be a hard reset for our offense. Hopefully Luke teaches some plays for Coley
Any chance of adding additional OLine in the upcoming signing period? They may be thrust into the starting job. This will be a hard reset for our offense. Hopefully Luke teaches some plays for Coley
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:50 pm to meansonny
quote:No, you're right. I had them backwards. It's fixed. Thanks.
I think we may have different definitions of X and Z receivers.
I'd swap them.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:50 pm to Buzz Killington
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We need to make some moves like LSU did with bringing in Joe Brady. If this is the Coley show again I expect our offense to continue to struggle.
Don't misunderstand what I am going to say but.....
This past year was the perfect storm. Coley's play calling is not particularly good, so I agree that a change needs to be made. however, it would have looked better had we not lost all of our WRs. I think we could have weathered that storm, even, if Holloman had not gotten booted. Think of Holloman with Pickens on the other side and we look a lot different.
Then, Fromm struggled, too. All of these made Coley look worse than he is in my opinion. Not that he is good....just not quite as bad as he looked this past season.
Somebody to help with game planning for offense and play calling and we will be fine next year, although I do agree we could use a different OC altogether.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 12:51 pm to BeefDawg
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*shrug* 247 shows him as a composite 4*. LINK
My bad, then. I go by composite, so you were right and I was w...wr....wro.....wro....I was not right.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:04 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Coley got way too predictable way too often with the running game.
This past year was the perfect storm. Coley's play calling is not particularly good, so I agree that a change needs to be made. however, it would have looked better had we not lost all of our WRs. I think we could have weathered that storm, even, if Holloman had not gotten booted. Think of Holloman with Pickens on the other side and we look a lot different.
Then, Fromm struggled, too. All of these made Coley look worse than he is in my opinion. Not that he is good....just not quite as bad as he looked this past season.
Somebody to help with game planning for offense and play calling and we will be fine next year, although I do agree we could use a different OC altogether.
When my wife is going, "It's another goddamn run play up the middle to the right.", and she's consistently correct, it is unquestionably too predictable. Because she doesn't know shite about formations or schemes or much other than it's entertainment and she gets to drink and shout and have fun.
I'd probably have an extra $50-$60 bucks if I was paid a dollar for every time we went, "1st down, up the middle", "2nd down, up the middle", and "3rd and 8, unsuccessful pass/conversion for 5 yards".
Coley would try something different, and we'd be successful on it, and then he'd go straight back to running up the middle.
It took 12 games for him to change this and look completely different in the bowl game.
Something MUST change. If he stays as the OC, then he needs to change. Otherwise, we need a new OC who's open to running a spread/RPO concept and using the pass to open the run for a change.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:22 pm to BeefDawg
Ummmm....did you see where I was agreeing?
Or were you just venting?
Or were you just venting?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:29 pm to DawgsLife
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just venting
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:13 pm to BeefDawg
I figured. We all need to sometimes.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:27 pm to BeefDawg
I don't see Washington starting. They said hee looked more raw than expected at the all-star event.
I think DROB moves to the outside. He is not a slot receiver.
I think DROB moves to the outside. He is not a slot receiver.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:33 pm to Leon S Kennedy
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I don't see Washington starting. They said hee looked more raw than expected at the all-star event.
Erm. . . he looks pretty good to me. But let's not let actual video argue with what "they" have to say.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:40 pm to chillmonster
Fitzpatrick isn't exactly a veteran at this point, so the bar is pretty low. I could see him starting against UVA.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:01 pm to Leon S Kennedy
quote:If his competition wasn't just Fitzpatrick and Goede, I might agree with you. But I don't see us keeping a 6'8 guy who can move and run like him off the field much, either.
I don't see Washington starting. They said hee looked more raw than expected at the all-star event.
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