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re: The direction of UGA
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:53 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:53 am to Crowknowsbest
Because I have faith in McG. Striklin was a great hire. Just needs time to get talent in. Perno left the cupboard bare and nekkid (in the words of Lewis G). Crenshaw was a slam dunk. He fired the women's soccer coach and we made the NCAA tournament. I dont think it will be the Dooley model of lets hire an assistant or someone who is at Minnesota or Marshall. I am in the minority and that is fine.
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Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:54 am to VADawg
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It's not a secret that Georgia has historically been one of the most underachieving programs of all time.
I agree totally with this. My thinking is that at some point you really have to look at the possibility that the problem lies with people/things other than the coaches. If this was a 5-year problem, I'd be more inclined to blame the coach. It isn't though.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:54 am to WG_Dawg
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It is not clear that richt can't win big here.
10 years without a conference title isnt clear?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:55 am to VADawg
We're a historically top 10 program. How is that underachieving?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:55 am to VADawg
If you take out (and yes, I know that you CAN'T take it out or ignore it, I'm just saying) the years that we had the greatest college football player to ever play the game, we have 3 SEC titles in the last 40 years.
UGA is historically, all time, about the 11th or 12th-ish best program in the country. And I agree we SHOULD be better than we have been recently. BUT, it's also worth noting that Richt has led us to about the best era in UGA football history. The entire 25 year dooley era was mostly meeeeeehhhhhhh personified outside of 80-83. Outside of a few stinkers, Richt has had us playing at a relatively high level every year.
UGA is historically, all time, about the 11th or 12th-ish best program in the country. And I agree we SHOULD be better than we have been recently. BUT, it's also worth noting that Richt has led us to about the best era in UGA football history. The entire 25 year dooley era was mostly meeeeeehhhhhhh personified outside of 80-83. Outside of a few stinkers, Richt has had us playing at a relatively high level every year.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:56 am to Crowknowsbest
There are 3, maybe 4, ELITE coaches in the college ranks right now (Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh). You have other VERY GOOD coaches who number probably 10-15 and Richt is one of those. If we fire Richt, are we going to get one of those elite level coaches? No, they're all at their dream jobs right now. We might replace with an up and coming very good coach, but the reality of the situation is that we will take a downgrade on a proven coach or take a big gamble on an unknown. We could very well end up like Tennessee for the last decade if we cut Richt loose. I understand that in order to win big you might have to roll the dice, but there's a greater chance that we take a step back with a coaching change as opposed to taking the next step forward.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 9:57 am to Crowknowsbest
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Meyer is an exception.
I hate that fricking dude but he's the best coach in college football. He prepares as well as Saban but destroys Saban when it comes to game time decision making.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:17 am to gulfportdawg
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Then, there's the pooch kick against yech to boot. It's always a couple of games each year that makes everyone crazy. And, it's more than just a trend.
No doubt the pooch kick was a head scratcher. As was no downing the ball verses Alabama in 2012. My point is two fold...had they worked, we would not be discussing this right now.
The second part of my point is that all coaches do weird things from time to time. Saban arguing for a second to be put back on the clock even after his kicker had missed several other attempts. He should have gone to OT. Had the kicker kicked the FG, though, he would have been called a genius.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:21 am to WorkinDawg
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I am stunned that we even debate this topic. I thought it common knowledge that we have 1-2 "CMR specials" per yr. I know the perception of our program is such.
1. EVERY program has these. We are just more aware of our because we follow UGA closely.
2. I could care less what percption is. Why do you all care what Auburn, Florida, or GT thinks about us?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:22 am to crispyUGA
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There are 3, maybe 4, ELITE coaches in the college ranks right now (Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh). You have other VERY GOOD coaches who number probably 10-15 and Richt is one of those. If we fire Richt, are we going to get one of those elite level coaches? No
This is what this entire issue boils down to. We've won 10 games per year, on average, over CMR's tenure. Remember when UF felt the need to match Alabama and find a big name, and when they hired Muschamp everyone thought there would be a juggernaut in the East to match Bama?
If McGarity knows something that everyone else doesn't, and can get a guy who you plug in from day one and retain the staff and current recruiting pace...I am all for it. The reality is that this is an impossible task. Hiring someone else without taking an immediate step back (when we are in the midst of our best stretch of recruiting and assembling the best supporting coaching talent in recent memory) would be a shot in the dark, at best. Logical fans know it, and more importantly, the AD knows it, which is why you will see CMR run out there next year.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:22 am to DawgsLife
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2. I could care less what percption is.
How much less could you care?
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:24 am to VADawg
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I know that. I was just trying to explain to someone else that it's laughable to compare a UGA loss to Alabama to a 59-0 win over Wisconsin.
Not really. I don't see any comparison to Alabama 2012 and Wisconsin 2014. BIG difference.
THAT Wisconsin team lost to LSU and Northwestern and didn't have a single good win on their resume. They were a paper tiger. Alabama was one of the better teams in history and won the NC. Crap, we blew Auburn out in 2014 and Wisconsin beat them in OT. Are you saying Auburn (2014) had a better team than us (2012)?
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:30 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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2. I could care less what percption is.
How much less could you care?
CRAP! And I usually laugh at other people that make that mistake!
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:32 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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We're a historically top 10 program. How is that underachieving?
No, we're not.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:38 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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The game has been ramped up for UGA... As I've said several times, CMR is on the clock, the free pass is gone. If he's gonna stay around he has to win big. The tools & recruiting are in place for UGA to become elite over the next 3-4 years.
I am a Disney and support Richt. But, I agree with this sentiment. We should make a big, big splash in the next 2-3 years.
Now...my question is this. What would get people on this board behind him? Playoff appearance, or nothing short of a NC? I don't think I will argue the point either way...UI just curious.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:41 am to RedPants
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We're a historically top 10 program. How is that underachieving?
No, we're not.
It actually depends on the criteria. Out of curiosity I looked it up and we are #10 in all-time wins. Some of that can be attributed to longevity.
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1. Michigan: 910-321-36
2. Texas: 875-338-33
3. Notre Dame: 874-305-42
4. Nebraska: 860-354-40
5. Ohio State: 849-316-53
6. Oklahoma: 836-310-53
7. Alabama: 832-321-43
8. Tennessee: 804-361-55
9. USC: 786-319-54
10. Georgia 759-402-54
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:53 am to DawgsLife
I'd put all 9 of those teams ahead of us, along with LSU, Florida, Miami, and Penn State.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/20/15 at 10:59 am to RedPants
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I'd put all 9 of those teams ahead of us, along with LSU, Florida, Miami, and Penn State.
Then you're not looking at it historically. You're looking at it from the last 30 years.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:01 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Well if we want to go aaaaaaall the way back, I'll add Harvard and Yale to the list as well.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 11:03 am to DawgsLife
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Not really. I don't see any comparison to Alabama 2012 and Wisconsin 2014. BIG difference.
THAT Wisconsin team lost to LSU and Northwestern and didn't have a single good win on their resume. They were a paper tiger. Alabama was one of the better teams in history and won the NC. Crap, we blew Auburn out in 2014 and Wisconsin beat them in OT. Are you saying Auburn (2014) had a better team than us (2012)?
You're still missing the point. OSU took care of business as a four point underdog with a first time starting QB. They did what they needed to do to open the eyes of the playoff committee. Georgia was on the business end of 350 rushing yards and lost a game they needed to win. I agree that Alabama was much better than Wisconsin, but the point is OSU brought the A++ game when they needed to bring the A++ game. Georgia did not. That has been an alarming trend in the Richt era, and it's why some of us are so damn frustrated.
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 11:08 am
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