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Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:56 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:56 pm to DawgsLife
I live in Texas and they are down. Trust me when I say they have been laughing at us for years. Long before they started really going down hill. They beat Oklahoma. What good team have we beaten this year?
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Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:58 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our program has'nt been elite in teh 120+ years we've been a program, I'm not sure why people expect us to be something we're not then get mad because of it.
Fair point.. but can you really blame people for beleiving that we have the potential (geography, facilities, recent nfl success, etc.) to be an "elite" team?
I recognize that "elite" is kind of a throwaway term, but certainly we should have the potential to win the SEC once every 5 or so years and at least play in a NC once every 10-20.
I think part of the raised expectations has been due to the overall success of the SEC. Maybe we don't deserve to be Bama, but if Florida, LSU and Auburn could do it, why can't we at least once
Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:59 pm to Lucius Clay
The thing I've posted over and over about the Richt situation since 2008, is that while he doesn't like to lose (who does?), he isn't focused on winning.
Granted, he says he wants to win, and anybody making $11,000 a day had better fricking at least say that they want to win, but there's a world of difference between saying that you want to win and actually being able to suck it up and get your players out of the funk they're playing in and squeezing every last drop of talent, tears blood and sweat out of those kids and make the team as a whole greater than the sum of the 85 parts that make it up.
That underlying impression I get is that there is a list of things a mile long in his book that all take precedence over winning as a football team. That's great for a mentor. It's great for a pastor and a youth leader, but it's a piss-poor state of mind for a multi millionaire, professional coach/CEO of one of the dozen most recognizable football teams in the college game. Richt's priorities softens his edge. It undermines that killer instinct that a Div I HC should have to absolutely detest losing - to better teams and especially to fricking dumpster fire programs that are circling the toilet bowl.
Mark Richt has breathed more life into doomed programs that he has his own.
Granted, he says he wants to win, and anybody making $11,000 a day had better fricking at least say that they want to win, but there's a world of difference between saying that you want to win and actually being able to suck it up and get your players out of the funk they're playing in and squeezing every last drop of talent, tears blood and sweat out of those kids and make the team as a whole greater than the sum of the 85 parts that make it up.
That underlying impression I get is that there is a list of things a mile long in his book that all take precedence over winning as a football team. That's great for a mentor. It's great for a pastor and a youth leader, but it's a piss-poor state of mind for a multi millionaire, professional coach/CEO of one of the dozen most recognizable football teams in the college game. Richt's priorities softens his edge. It undermines that killer instinct that a Div I HC should have to absolutely detest losing - to better teams and especially to fricking dumpster fire programs that are circling the toilet bowl.
Mark Richt has breathed more life into doomed programs that he has his own.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:00 pm to JimDawginTexas
Who the hell has Texas beaten in the last 5 years?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 8:03 pm to VoxDawg
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$11,000 a day
This is the key point. Think real hard about this number when you get your paycheck. Weekly, every two weeks or monthly.
You get paid this much, you better win. He is not earning his paycheck no matter how much we like him.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:29 am to djsdawg
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Clemson is 47-11 the past 4 years and so far this year. Uga is 44-16.
Excluding this year, since I stated above that they are having a better season than us for sure, Clemson is 42-11 and we are 40-14 over the past 4 years (I missed two of Clemson's victories, you're right). Still, my point stands...the two have been nearly indistinguishable. Over that span, we have also split a series with them.
Georgia has been slipping only against our fans' expectations, not against teams like Clemson.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:36 am to ATLdawg25
Has clemson lost to teams like ut, and 2014 sc/uf, vandy recently?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:51 am to djsdawg
No, they haven't. You're right about that. They have also been near the top of the recruiting rankings in the last few years. I know it is an easy answer, but I firmly believe that the reason Bama never loses to average to decent teams is because they have such an enormous talent advantage. It just widens the margin of error.
To be fair, Clemson really only plays a few above average teams each year, and the past few years they have lost to them regularly - FSU, Georgia Tech, and South Carolina. this year appears to be going better for them, which gives me hope that improving our recruiting (and getting a legit quarterback, similar to the "Deshaun Watson" effect) will pay dividends sooner rather than later.
I will say this - if recruiting doesn't actually improve after NSD comes and goes this year and next year, I am ready to move on from Richt. Even I will admit that he doesn't have whatever it takes to win with recruiting classes that rank near the bottom 10 nationally. I just want to see what he will do with a couple top 5 classes, which I think it very attainable these next two cycles.
ETA: After looking at 247, it looks like we have had better recruiting classes than Clemson recently by a decent margin. frick. I don't know. They play easier schedules? I still want to see who Richt can reel in these next two cycles.
To be fair, Clemson really only plays a few above average teams each year, and the past few years they have lost to them regularly - FSU, Georgia Tech, and South Carolina. this year appears to be going better for them, which gives me hope that improving our recruiting (and getting a legit quarterback, similar to the "Deshaun Watson" effect) will pay dividends sooner rather than later.
I will say this - if recruiting doesn't actually improve after NSD comes and goes this year and next year, I am ready to move on from Richt. Even I will admit that he doesn't have whatever it takes to win with recruiting classes that rank near the bottom 10 nationally. I just want to see what he will do with a couple top 5 classes, which I think it very attainable these next two cycles.
ETA: After looking at 247, it looks like we have had better recruiting classes than Clemson recently by a decent margin. frick. I don't know. They play easier schedules? I still want to see who Richt can reel in these next two cycles.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:55 am to ATLdawg25
Well, we better hope this season gets Turned around quick or else recruiting could suffer.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:11 am to djsdawg
Agreed. That's what's so annoying about posts on here from people like germandawg, who couldn't care less if we lose the rest of our games because it would ensure Richt leaves.
It's not like Richt leaves and we retain our currently #5 recruiting class. I would imagine you would see a pretty disgusting exodus, leaving the next coach behind the 8 ball. Worst case scenario for our future in football.
It's not like Richt leaves and we retain our currently #5 recruiting class. I would imagine you would see a pretty disgusting exodus, leaving the next coach behind the 8 ball. Worst case scenario for our future in football.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:18 am to ATLdawg25
If we don't sign Eason, even the next coach would be screwed.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:19 am to djsdawg
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If we don't sign Eason,
what a horrifying thought.
Like, it would be near disastrous. We'd at LEAST have lambert for another year which isn't real promising but it's not like we'd be breaking ina TFR or something, I guess things COULD be worse is what I'm saying.
I also wonder if we'd keep hochman if there was a turnover.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:53 am to dallasga6
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Unfortunately I think it's gonna get worse before it ever gets better. GSU might be the only sure win(& Imma on the fence there)left in the last 6. Without NC I think 4-2(8-4)is the ceiling & 3-3(7-5)could easily happen...
Shreveport/Memphis is calling our name...
I don't think many folks will disagree with you. It ain't pretty. Next year won't be pretty, either. Floyd, Jenkins, Ganus are gone. Mayes, Thornton, and Deloach are gone. Malcolm Mitchell is gone. The right side of our OL and our LT are gone. Some of those guys (especially along the DL) aren't irreplaceable, but depth will take a big hit and we'll be relying on a lot of freshmen to play those snaps. OL next year really worries me and we'll take a step back at OLB, even though Bellamy and Carter should be a pretty good duo. Anyone thinking a true freshman QB will be our savior is kidding themselves. 3rd or 4th in the division will likely be where we're pegged to land.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:10 am to WG_Dawg
I agree that Eason would be in jeopardy, but it makes me wonder what would happen if a splash hire were made. I think Fuente, Herman, Chip Kelly, et al would stem the outgoing tide of recruits, but it remains to be seen. As much as I want a change, and think it's necessary, I'd feel much better if it came once Eason were on board. I think Hockman would likely stick if the right guy were hired.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:16 am to crispyUGA
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3rd or 4th in the division will likely be where we're pegged to land.
We're going to be iffy next year but I can't agree there will be 3 teams picked ahead of us. UF almost surely will so there's one. SC/VU/Miz won't be. I hihgly doubt UK is. So that leaves us neck and neck wiht UT going into preseason predictions. Despite blowing their wad against us, they're still 3-3 right now with 1 more sure loss and a few more probables this year, plus their coachign staff is a laughingstock.
As for us, OL will be an issue but Pyke/Kubs/Wynn should give us a solid interior. WR is clearly a big time concern. RB/TE will both be solid. QB will be extremely similar to the 06 situation.
TT and Atkins are a good starting point for the DL plus all the stud freshman from last year. Reggie/Kimbrough/Bellamny/Lorenzo are a pretty formidable LB crew. We have talent for miles in the secondary and don't lose anybody.
I'm not saying we'll be all that great, because I know we won't be. But 4th in the division seems a little dramatic as well.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:21 am to VoxDawg
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I think Fuente, Herman, Chip Kelly, et al would stem the outgoing tide of recruits
Very little chance of that imo. Richt is popular with recruits and their parents. Firing him would turn a lot of them off. Losing Pruitt, BMac, Sherrer, etc. on top of that would be brutal.
Frankly, I don't think the roster is in good enough shape to hand off to the next guy. 2013 class was a total failure. That's Richt's fault in large part, but I think if he was fired this offseason, this particular class disintegrated, then the next coach would have very little chance to succeed.
I know people say that you never keep the coach for the recruits, but imo it's not that simple. If we can close out a top 4-8 class this year, the future would look a lot brighter no matter what happens next season.
IMO, there are only three people who UGA could realistically hire this offseason that wouldn't set off a huge talent drain. Jeremy Pruitt, Mike Bobo, and Kirby Smart.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:40 am to JimDawginTexas
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They beat Oklahoma. What good team have we beaten this year?
Dude. They're 1-4. They got beat by Oklahoma State and California. They are not showing any signs of getting better. They are regressing under Charlie Strong. Just because a fan base in in denial does not make them an expert.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:41 am to JimDawginTexas
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You get paid this much, you better win.
He DOES win. he is one of winningest coaches in the country.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:44 am to DawgsLife
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You get paid this much, you better win.
He DOES win. he is one of winningest coaches in the country.
So was Donnan and richt has been at Donnan level since 2006. Doesn't mean it's enough.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 11:45 am to DawgsLife
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Dude. They're 1-4. They got beat by Oklahoma State and California.
People are overreacting to their win over Oklahoma almost as much as they are overreacting to our loss to UT.
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