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re: Revisiting Newman & Daniels before UF

Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:11 am to
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:11 am to
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Rumors starting to swirl that Mathis will be in the portal today.


This surprises me. What wouldn't surprise me is Mathis announcing that he's retiring from football.
After seeing how Mathis played after taking that hit on the sidelines during the Arkansas game, I'm afraid D'Wan will be thinking about the potential impact of his brain surgery for the rest of his life.
He might be trying to get closer to home at this point.
He seems to be a fine young man and I wish him well if a transfer is what he wants.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:19 am to
Where is Beck??? Did he really have a .489 completion rate in HS and throw an interception for every TD (not quite but close)??? Jesus it just keeps getting better and better....
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14033 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:21 am to
BVGERA will fix it all. Just be glad we even have football to watch this year.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5605 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:23 am to
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After seeing how Mathis played after taking that hit on the sidelines during the Arkansas game, I'm afraid D'Wan will be thinking about the potential impact of his brain surgery for the rest of his life.


Obviously he made mistakes, but he played better than Bennet has for the last 6 quarters. And remember: this was the first play for the entire offense after limited prep time.

Don't have time to find a better vid, but here's a quick review of his plays v Arkansas. Take a look.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 10:24 am
Posted by bunkerhill
Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1438 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 10:25 am to
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Gonna start getting tough to recruit QBs if it continues, if it ain't already tough.


I have thought the same thing - it will be increasingly more difficult to recruit top talent at QB, if Kirby gets the reputation of playing his favorites and not the best player.

But, as I have said before, if Stet is the best of the bunch, Georgia has some problems we don't know about yet. I hope he has the game of his life this weekend.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14033 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 11:05 am to
Wonder if his buddy Fields also engaged an agent while the big was postponed...
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
44770 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:06 pm to
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but he played better than Bennet has for the last 6 quarters.


You can argue it’s too small of a sample size for Mathis, but he hasn’t played better this season than Stetson in his last 6 quarters.

Mathis is 8/17 for 57 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT this season and 0 points.

Again, it’s a small sample size and he could be better going forward, but he hasn’t been so far.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27805 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:35 pm to
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but he played better than Bennet has for the last 6 quarters.


Seems to be the new tard narrative and makes little sense.

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You can argue it’s too small of a sample size


Of course it is and if you wanna kill em for the 2nd half of Bama and 1st half of UK I get it but we only threw 13 passes the entire game and obviously fewer than that in 2nd half and the 2nd
pick was on our Freshman WR.

Mathis had 5 possessions which ended with 4 punts and an interception.I have no idea why folks are cherry picking 4 bad guarters for Stetson to a very bad 1st qtr for Mathis and discounting his play vs Arky,UT and AU...makes zero sense but Chill's been defending/pimping Mathis since the change so it doesn't surprise.
This post was edited on 11/2/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by dawgRUSH
New York, NY
Member since Nov 2011
951 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:38 pm to
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I have thought the same thing - it will be increasingly more difficult to recruit top talent at QB, if Kirby gets the reputation of playing his favorites and not the best player.

But, as I have said before, if Stet is the best of the bunch, Georgia has some problems we don't know about yet. I hope he has the game of his life this weekend.



Stet came into the 2nd half of the Arkansas game with zero first team reps during practice and exponentially outperformed Mathis.

And even though he's been turnover prone the past couple of games he's at least been moving the chains.

I'm ready for a change at QB as well but I don't think this has anything to do with Kirby playing favorites.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14033 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:41 pm to
If only there were highly paid experts who witness all the practices and whose job it is to make personnel decisions on which players are give his team the best chance to win....
Posted by bigdawg7780
SC
Member since Oct 2013
2881 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 12:47 pm to
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I have thought the same thing - it will be increasingly more difficult to recruit top talent at QB, if Kirby gets the reputation of playing his favorites and not the best player.


No, it won't they will look at the talent assembled and think I'm the guy to fix what's wrong. Ego will take over especially on a team winning 11+ games a year.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:15 pm to
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BVGERA will fix it all. Just be glad we even have football to watch this year.



Seriously, everything else considered, this is absolutely the truth. If a man can be happy with what he does have without being unhappy about the things he doesn't he will be happy most of the time. Good point and thanks for the perspective! GO DAWGS!
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:22 pm to
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But, as I have said before, if Stet is the best of the bunch, Georgia has some problems we don't know about yet. I hope he has the game of his life this weekend.



I don't want to think about it but it wouldn't be difficult to come to that conclusion. It is definitely a pattern. Fromm became the starter in what used to be a path that was frowned upon....I never really understood why but used to be injury didn't replace a starter. Then Fields was never given any meaningful snaps and when he did get some he took off running most of the time. Then the whole JT, Newman or whatever his name was and Bennett thing now....it could all be dumb luck.

I had an old boy who worked for me for a couple of years and I started missing tools. Left and right. And shop tools, not job site tools. He was around the shop a lot when it started happening. I laid him off in a one man lay off and the tools stopped disappearing. I didn't want to think he would steal from me but it sure stopped when he wasn't around....he came out from the hall about 6 months later and I turned him around....he was mad and said I knew he wouldn't steal from me and I told him I still didn't think he would, but my shite stopped going missing when he left and maybe it was just luck but I went from bad luck to good with him being gone...
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5605 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:24 pm to
Neither were good, but play for play Mathis was better.

Put that aside, though. Maybe Stetson is the right guy. There's no way to say for certain.

Here's the thing though. Either the staff made a terrible decision to start Mathis in the first place because he doesn't belong on a college field and they couldn't tell or he's better than what Stetson has showed in the past game and a half.

What does either scenario say about our experts' management of the QB position?
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:26 pm to
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You can argue it’s too small of a sample size for Mathis, but he hasn’t played better this season than Stetson in his last 6 quarters. Mathis is 8/17 for 57 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT this season and 0 points. Again, it’s a small sample size and he could be better going forward, but he hasn’t been so far.



What's the chances the staff has decided that Mathis playing is too risky??? Not from a football POV but from a player safety POV? That's not something they would advertise because it could impact his ability to transfer but maybe UGA just ain't willing to put him out there with his medical history even if he has been cleared???


He did not look as bad it seems. Penalties were killing us during his 3 - 4 series. His stepping out of bounds prior to the marker and the bad hit aside he didn't look terrible given it was his first start.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:30 pm to
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cherry picking 4 bad guarters for Stetson to a very bad 1st qtr for Mathis and discounting his play vs Arky,UT and AU...makes zero sense but Chill's been defending/pimping Mathis since the change so it doesn't surprise.


He did look pretty good against those 3, there is no debate, but the batting of passes at the LOS is a thing now. It may be something that can be gotten around by coaching....seeing windows clearer??? Whatever it is that is the main problem, that I see, that he is just too damned short and his mechanics don't help matters. It would also help matters immensely if we could count on the running game to pick up 3rd and 4 every once in a while....
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:36 pm to
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Here's the thing though. Either the staff made a terrible decision to start Mathis in the first place because he doesn't belong on a college field and they couldn't tell or he's better than what Stetson has showed in the past game and a half.




This is the issue. Its Fromm / Fields all over again, on a far smaller scale talent wise. Could just be dumb luck but it is similar enough to be a concern. I still trust Smart...he has earned it...but it is easy to see where HS QB prospects do not owe him any trust.


There is NO doubt that no coach would have not gone with Fromm over Eason or Fields under similar circumstances....but Fromm stunk up the joint in 2018 against LSU...many coaches would have done to him what this staff did to Mathis against Arkansas under those conditions. For whatever reason this staff did not and here were again....throw in the whole Newman thing, maybe completely unrelated, and it is imperative that Smart not make a mistake. As much trust as he has earned he does not have an unlimited bank account....
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27805 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Neither were good


Sure but stop with the "last 6 quarters" narrative. It's flat out silly and you know better.
We ran completely different offenses in those 2 games and I'm assuming what you're implying this is some sort of trend for Bennett...silly conclusion to make.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5605 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 1:48 pm to
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Sure but stop with the "last 6 quarters" narrative. It's flat out silly and you know better.
We ran completely different offenses in those 2 games and I'm assuming what you're implying this is some sort of trend for Bennett...silly conclusion to make.


You think I'm not rooting for Bennett? Right new he's playing very poorly, and he's earned a spot on the bench.

I promise if his next 4 quarters are good I'll talk about those.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
43887 posts
Posted on 11/2/20 at 3:44 pm to
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It’s just really shitty timing and luck
This is how it's been the past few years. Fromm was too good to bench and it drove away Fields who was inpatient and wanted to make his mark on college football right away. I don't blame him for that motivation but it was just bad timing given what Fromm was doing for us.

Likewise with this season, Fromm left early and we didn't already have someone waiting in the wings to be "the" guy at QB. We opted to get Newman who would've been a great option for us but he left, which left us without "the" guy yet again. Daniels is not ready due to health and Mathis and Beck don't seem to be ready due to the lack of experience at this level so Bennett is our guy for now and it's clear he wasn't our #1 choice. Or our #2 or #3.

We're in a pickle at QB and it's due to bad timing and not being able to pull in and keep several game-ready QBs at once. Just like how we tend to have bad luck (providence) with injuries to key players, we seem to have poor timing around certain key skill positions.
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