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Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:27 am to grey
Last post in THIS thread, but.....
Debatable. They changed the way they count unemployment. When people quit looking for jobs because they lose hope, they are no longer counted as unemployed. Imagine that.
Actually, there have been 15 terroristic attacks on US Embassies since Obama took office, not the least of these was Benghazi. US Embassies are considered US soil, so yes, there have been foreign attacks on US soil. That doesn't count the attack at Fort Hood, that was encouraged AND insitgated by a Muslim cleric who then fled out of country. (Anwar Al-Awaki) He may not have carried out an attack, but he certainly was behind it.
While there may not be much doubt that there is climate change....there is absolutely no proof that it is caused by man. All of Obama's restrictions to curb climate change have been aimed at man made solutions. Restricting business, etc. Just because climate change has been prioritized does not mean that focus has been placed where it should be.
Not sure where you got this from. Today, the deficit sits at 18 trillion dollars+. They expect the deficit to be at 22.4 Trillion dollars at the end of 2016. The deficit continues to go UP, not down. The rate of the deficit MIGHT be slowing, which is where many people get the idea the deficit is going down, but that is hocus pocus economics. They project where the deficit would be if it continues at the same pace, then if it does not go up at the same rate they consider the deficit to have gone down.
As for your other points? I would hardly give Obama credit for the military getting Bin Laden. I DO believe that the economy is stronger, however, I am not convinced that either party had much to do with that.
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I should apologize for derailing your thread about Trump, though. I don't care fro Trump at all and could not vote for him. It takes more than being argumentative and taking pot shots at your opponents to make a good President. This is the weakest field we have had in quite awhile. We need a third party that sits somewhere in between the two we have on the issues. Just my opinion.
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The unemployment rate went down
Debatable. They changed the way they count unemployment. When people quit looking for jobs because they lose hope, they are no longer counted as unemployed. Imagine that.
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no foreign terrorist attacks,
Actually, there have been 15 terroristic attacks on US Embassies since Obama took office, not the least of these was Benghazi. US Embassies are considered US soil, so yes, there have been foreign attacks on US soil. That doesn't count the attack at Fort Hood, that was encouraged AND insitgated by a Muslim cleric who then fled out of country. (Anwar Al-Awaki) He may not have carried out an attack, but he certainly was behind it.
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climate change prioritization,
While there may not be much doubt that there is climate change....there is absolutely no proof that it is caused by man. All of Obama's restrictions to curb climate change have been aimed at man made solutions. Restricting business, etc. Just because climate change has been prioritized does not mean that focus has been placed where it should be.
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the deficit has shrunk...
Not sure where you got this from. Today, the deficit sits at 18 trillion dollars+. They expect the deficit to be at 22.4 Trillion dollars at the end of 2016. The deficit continues to go UP, not down. The rate of the deficit MIGHT be slowing, which is where many people get the idea the deficit is going down, but that is hocus pocus economics. They project where the deficit would be if it continues at the same pace, then if it does not go up at the same rate they consider the deficit to have gone down.
As for your other points? I would hardly give Obama credit for the military getting Bin Laden. I DO believe that the economy is stronger, however, I am not convinced that either party had much to do with that.
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I should apologize for derailing your thread about Trump, though. I don't care fro Trump at all and could not vote for him. It takes more than being argumentative and taking pot shots at your opponents to make a good President. This is the weakest field we have had in quite awhile. We need a third party that sits somewhere in between the two we have on the issues. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 6:30 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:39 am to DawgsLife
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I don't care fro Trump at all and could not vote for him. It takes more than being argumentative and taking pot shots at your opponents to make a good President. This is the weakest field we have had in quite awhile.
I know this is supposed to be your least post in THIS thread, but indulge me if you will.
I agree with most of what you stated. I'm just curious as to who in the field you WOULD vote for as of now.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:49 am to S1C EM
Not specifically pointing out dawglyfe...but people who complain as much as these fools dont vote.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:20 am to DawgsLife
I'm a Rockefeller Republican and Hillary is gonna freaking destroy whoever comes out as the republican omination! It's just simple fact I'm embarrassed by my party. For all the whining about how dumb the dems are we are a whole lot dumber. We can't band together and put someone up who has a chance against Hillary. If Donald doesn't get the nom than Ted Cruz will and that will be the biggest butt kicking we have ever seen in a general election.
The Republican Party is just screaming "hey moderates please go to the other side we hate you" the way the Republicans are today their own hero Regan would be ostracized. The only two candidates that would have had a chance against Hillary would have been Kasich and Christy. I truly think Christy would have given the Republicans their best chance against Hillary problem is he won't be a puppet for the Koch brothers.
The Republican Party is just screaming "hey moderates please go to the other side we hate you" the way the Republicans are today their own hero Regan would be ostracized. The only two candidates that would have had a chance against Hillary would have been Kasich and Christy. I truly think Christy would have given the Republicans their best chance against Hillary problem is he won't be a puppet for the Koch brothers.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:26 am to NCdawgfan34
Have an upvote sir.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:54 am to S1C EM
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I'm just curious as to who in the field you WOULD vote for as of now.
Now THAT is a good question. Like I said in another post....this is the weakest field I think we have ever had. I honestly don't know. But if Hitler and Idi Amin were running I don't think I could support either one of them. No, I'm not comparing the candidates to them. I am saying just because there are candidates, it doesn't mean I HAVE to support any of them. They are simply all bad. We need a third and possibly a fourth party. Look, you don't have to agree with me. It's just my opinion. Do you honestly believe Trump can get us where we need to be? Do you think he can even get us headed in the right direction? He will only cause more decisiveness and cause even more turmoil in his own party. (If he even runs as a part of a party.)
I hope that clarifies my feelings. Sometimes it is hard to take myself out of a thread, even when I want to. I didn't come in here to cause a problem. It's just my opinion and feelings and I am usually surprised when anyone agrees with me.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:30 am to grey
I'll take Trump over Billary any day of the week. That bitch will put this country back 10 years. She could end up making Obummer look smart! The Democrats have no clue about business and improving the economy and all they do is try gun laws to strip honest people of their 2nd amendment rights!
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:32 am to DawgsLife
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He will only cause more decisiveness
Sounds like a good idea.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:50 am to DragginFly
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Sounds like a good idea.
I understand what you are saying...but, with the current system we have nothing gets done with decisiveness. Well, it's not supposed to. The reason we have the system we have is for checks and balances. In order for laws to get passed you have to have a certain percentage of votes from both houses, and then the President has to sign the bill. A bill can only be passed without the Presidents signature if you have an overwhelming majority of legislators voting to pass that bill. This is set up so nobody has the power to ran things through.
On paper it is a good idea. However, when you get Presidents using executive orders to pass stuff without the approval of congress it only causes problems. When the other party gets elected they use those same powers to ran their ideas through. What you have is a big mess, or what we have now. Now Obama is planning on using his executive orders to put gun control measures through. This will only cause more problems. Both parties have become arrogant and if something doesn't change we will be in bigger trouble than we already are.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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we will be in bigger trouble than we already are
so be it
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:15 am to DawgsLife
Trump is the closest thing we have to a third party. Both the Democrats and the GOP Establishment hate him because they can't control him.
People are tired of go-along-to-get-along politics. It's time someone blew it up.
People are tired of go-along-to-get-along politics. It's time someone blew it up.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:38 am to DragginFly
Too bad this site doesn't have a poll feature so we could have our own little vote on the candidates.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:09 am to DawgsLife
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I hope that clarifies my feelings. Sometimes it is hard to take myself out of a thread, even when I want to. I didn't come in here to cause a problem. It's just my opinion and feelings and I am usually surprised when anyone agrees with me.
Hey, it's all good brother!
I will still vote myself; I just don't know who for yet. I agree the field is, on the surface, pretty weak. But I do think there is always the possibility we could be surprised with how well Trump, Cruz or Rubio could do. You just never know. I assumed that Trump was a loudmouth blowhard initially based on his public persona. But the more I've listened to him (though he isn't an eloquent speaker at all), he actually has made a little bit of sense on a lot of things.
My bigger concern right now is with how well Bernie Sanders is doing. I don't think he's going to win anything, mind you, but it is very telling about the direction that our country is going in when we have millions of Americans supporting SOCIALISM. Forty years ago, that would have been political blasphemy. Twenty years from now, someone like Bernie may well be our president.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:16 am to S1C EM
Folks are tired, very tired of the professional politicians. They have failed.
Trump isn't a politician which is attractive to a lot of people.
Trump isn't a politician which is attractive to a lot of people.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:37 am to WhopperDawg
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Trump isn't a politician which is attractive to a lot of people.
I agree. I think the same is true for Bernie....in addition to everyone wants everything for "free" now.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:50 am to S1C EM
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I think the same is true for Bernie...
Eh?
He has been running and serving in Vermont since the 70s. Been in the house or senate since 1990, that is 25 years.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:53 am to WhopperDawg
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Eh?
He has been running and serving in Vermont since the 70s. Been in the house or senate since 1990, that is 25 years.
Yeah, but Dems I know see him as "can't be bought and paid for" like Hillary. Many of them seem to think Hillary is the best Republican candidate running.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:53 am to S1C EM
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I will still vote myself; I just don't know who for yet.
Be very careful. We are at a very tenuous place politically in this country. I know people want to "blow it up", but that could mean the entire economy being blown up. TONS of people out of work. Trump just scares me. He doesn't really seem to have any kind of plan except to harass and ridicule people. That is NOT what will bring the country out of the problems we have.
If we "blow it up" it could mean less power for the government (which is good, IMO) but it could mean more power for big business. (Not necessarily good, IMO) I really think we would see the small business man become extinct. Power will fall into one of three areas. Military, big business or government. It's a very delicate balance. If ends up getting the nomination or running on his own, I hope he lays out a plan. There is more to being President than insulting and harassing people.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:01 pm to S1C EM
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But the more I've listened to him (though he isn't an eloquent speaker at all),
We don't necessarily need an eloquent speaker. We have one of those. (Although, he is overrated as far as his speaking goes)
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My bigger concern right now is with how well Bernie Sanders is doing. I don't think he's going to win anything, mind you, but it is very telling about the direction that our country is going in when we have millions of Americans supporting SOCIALISM. Forty years ago, that would have been political blasphemy. Twenty years from now, someone like Bernie may well be our president.
Absolutely. Government can work until everybody realizes that they can get everything for free. Then nobody wants to work. Why find a job if the government continues to pay you for not working and gives you insurance for little or nothing.
All you have to do is look at the mess Greece has been in to see how far Socialism will get you. They are in a very scary place. The people have been rioting because the government is seeing that they MUST cut freebies. They have been getting "free" stuff for so long they can't live without it.
I retired 3 years ago, and when i retired my insurance premium was $425. The next year it went up to $575, and I got a notice saying this year it would go up to $675. (Mind you, this is for me only...not my wife) People don't realize....somebody HAS to pay for the 30 million uninsured people that are supposedly getting insurance now.
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