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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26293 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:48 pm to
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Not to the extent we need. Isolation is the best method we have per the experts, not the simpleton MAGA’s.


But there isnt isolation right now.
Firefighters are working
Police
Hospitals
Manufacturing
Daycare
School systems are open (despite classrooms closed)
Grocery stores
Banks

Etc..

There are nuanced levels of isolation.
You are too "all or nothing " to even see the reality in front of you.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26513 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:52 pm to
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There has been one case of Coronavirus in our county and no deaths.

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That’s coming, but less so if y’all are closed down better than most places.

So are deaths of older people and those with prexisiting conditions that don’t have COVID-19....and probably a few outside of that, just like any virus, and probably more now that people are out of jobs, healthcare benefits and other contributing factors. Congrats. Get back in your bunker. You are wasting internet
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14534 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Isolation is the best method we have per the experts, not the simpleton MAGA’s.


So Obama and his followers were/are simpletons because he did not implement any of these measures that have been enacted by the Trump administration?
Guess what? People cannot remain isolated for very long without starving to death. I think you are the simpleton for not realizing that this virus is going to spread regardless of preventive measures. I get it. They are trying to avoid overwhelming the medical centers and I agree with distancing and other precautions. But eventually everyone will be exposed and like the regular flu some will develop immunity and some won't. People die. In these cases, we are fortunate that it's mostly old people with existing conditions who are dying. Some of them like my mother pray for death every day so as to not be a burden to her loved ones.
Wrecking the economy is not the answer but of course you and your ilk are hoping against hope that destroying the economy and creating untold hardship will be enough to get Trump voted out of office.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41374 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:02 pm to
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There are nuanced levels of isolation.


Yes. Essential services should be maintained. Others shouldn’t.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41374 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:05 pm to
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So are deaths of older people and those with prexisiting conditions that don’t have COVID-19....and probably a few outside of that, just like any virus,


This illness creates critical cases at a level we haven’t seen before, and that is unsustainable.

quote:

They are trying to avoid overwhelming the medical centers and I agree with distancing and other precautions.


If you truly understood that, you wouldn’t be arguing against me right now.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41374 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:06 pm to
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Wrecking the economy is not the answer


Covid wrecked it. Put the blame where it is supposed to be.
Posted by grey
Member since Aug 2015
4002 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

Put the blame where it is supposed to be.


Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14534 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:21 pm to
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If you truly understood that, you wouldn’t be arguing against me right now.


Actually I'm not arguing at all; just stating my opinion. I actually agree with Obama's response back in 2009. He and his compliant liberal media did not want to overreact and the U.S. economy rolled right along at a slow but steady pace.
What I'm saying is the response by the liberal news media has been specifically designed to create panic and crash the economy hoping that it will be enough to get Trump voted out of office. The Democrats were unable to impeach him along with thousands of other actions to undermine Trump's administration so basically the Coronavirus was an answer to a liberal "prayer."
Even if we had ended up with 500 thousand deaths of mostly elderly people with low life expectancy anyway, it would not be worth the untold hardship that will be realized from a devastated world economy.
And again I say this as someone who is over 65. I've had a good full life. My quality of life is not what it once was so Scotty can beam me up when he's ready.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7598 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:26 pm to
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What I'm saying is the response by the liberal news media has been specifically designed to create panic and crash the economy hoping that it will be enough to get Trump voted out of office.

It was really amazing how the dastardly liberal media was able to get the entire planet to go along with the conspiracy to discredit our brilliant hero president.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41374 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:34 pm to
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What I'm saying is the response by the liberal news media has been specifically designed to create panic and crash the economy hoping that it will be enough to get Trump voted out of office.


You sound like a crazy person when you say stuff like this.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26293 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:40 pm to
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Yes. Essential services should be maintained. Others shouldn’t.



Manufacturing. Daycare. Grocery stores. Banks. Gas stations. In New York, finance is an essential business.

There is nuance in your definition "essential"
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41374 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 3:49 pm to
Per the New York order:

For purposes of Executive Order 202.6, "Essential Business," means:

1. Essential Health Care Operations, Including:

research and laboratory services
hospitals
walk-in-care health facilities
emergency veterinary and livestock services
elder care
medical wholesale and distribution
home health care workers or aides for the elderly
doctor and emergency dental
nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
medical supplies and equipment manufacturers and providers

2. Essential Infrastructure, Including:

utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission
public water and wastewater
telecommunications and data centers
airports/airlines
transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages
hotels, and places of accommodation

3. Essential Manufacturing, Including:

food processing, manufacturing agents, including all foods and beverages
chemicals
medical equipment/instruments
pharmaceuticals
sanitary products
telecommunications
microelectronics/semi-conductor
agriculture/farms
household paper products

4. Essential Retail, Including:

grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
pharmacies
convenience stores
farmer's markets
gas stations
restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
hardware and building material stores

5. Essential Services, Including:

trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal
mail and shipping services
laundromats
building cleaning and maintenance
child care services
auto repair
warehouse/distribution and fulfillment
funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
storage for essential businesses
animal shelters

6. News Media

7. Financial Institutions, Including:

banks
insurance
payroll
accounting
services related to financial markets

8. Providers of Basic Necessities to Economically Disadvantaged Populations, Including:

homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
food banks
human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support

9. Construction, Including:

skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers
other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes

10. Defense

defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government

11. Essential Services Necessary to Maintain the Safety, Sanitation and Essential Operations of Residences or Other Essential Businesses, Including:

law enforcement
fire prevention and response
building code enforcement
security
emergency management and response
building cleaners or janitors
general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
automotive repair
disinfection

12. Vendors that Provide Essential Services or Products, Including Logistics and Technology Support, Child Care and Services:

logistics
technology support for online services
child care programs and services
government owned or leased buildings
essential government services
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14534 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:10 pm to
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You sound like a crazy person when you say stuff like this.


I'm not crazy; I'm a realist. Yea, no doubt every release by the news media was designed to avoid panic and not crash the booming Trump/U.S. economy.
I can safely say this: had Obama been in office during this, the media response would have been significantly different.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:18 pm to
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I'm a conspiracy theorist.


FIFY. It all makes total sense now.
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
8137 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:29 pm to
This thread has really made me grow to hate this board. Didn’t realize how many stupid assholes we have here.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14534 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

quote:
I'm a conspiracy theorist.


FIFY. It all makes total sense now.


Yea, and if you don't recognize the obvious that there is a significant liberal news media bias against Trump then there's definitely no need for further discussion.
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Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26293 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:34 pm to
I know.

That's what I said.

You call it a shut down to stop the spread. But is it? As I said, it is very nuanced.

NY would be better suited to shut down the subway, cab, and rideshare industries and keep everything else open with a smarter approach. Mask everyone. Hands in pockets while out. Bleach work areas regularly. UV the shite out of public spots (pharmacy, grocery store, bank).

There are smarter ways than inducing pandemonium

Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7598 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:51 pm to
The media hates Trump and they should hate him. The problem that I have with the media is that they didn't hate Obama. Both men are despicable.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26293 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:55 pm to
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media hates Trump


Trump is Trump. Everyone can like or not like whomever they please. Journalists just need to be honest about their biases.

This shouldn't be about Trump but about what a proper response should be. "What is the proper level of panic?" LOL
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:58 pm to
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Yea, and if you don't recognize the obvious that there is a significant liberal news media bias against Trump then there's definitely no need for further discussion.


Well no shite, but the seriousness of this thing is not made up. Of course they will use it to throw shade at him; nothing he will do will be enough, but they didn't engineer this unless you're going to tell me every country on the planet is in on the fix. They are using the disaster at-hand, I agree. But that's it. Get real.
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