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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:45 am to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:45 am to Dawgsontop34
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I’m always amazed when people continue to compare this to the Swine Flu, as if the death rate is remotely comparable in the early run.
I am amazed that people compare this to the Swine Flu too...the contraction rate is ridiculously low in comparison...this is sitting somewhere around 15% ytd.
BTW - SARS was at 8% death rate...didn't shut down our economy over those fears
HIV(which led to AIDS) was at 100% for the first decade it was around too
ETA: Besides, the Swine Flu was actually very dangerous to kids, and young adults. THAT should've shut down schools, if they ever should be shut. Also, "if it saves just 1 life," right Cuomo??
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 7:52 am
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Posted on 3/25/20 at 6:45 am to djsdawg
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and he also said its gonna be bad, wake up people, stay inside
Bad is a relative term.
I've been self quarantined since the 12th. The minute schools were announcing shut downs. The seasonal flu will be more deadly than covid. The extreme measures are to buy us time. Time to find treatments (like the malaria drug and zpack). Time to find help (like plasma transplants from recovered patients). Time to find a way to reduce the spread (like UV rays, excessive bleaching, and keeping your damn New Yorker hands in your pockets).
Is it serious? Or "bad"? Yes. But bad is always relative to something else. There will probably not be 1,000,000 deaths worldwide. Definitely not that many in the US. My guess is that even with all of these safety measures which defray exposure to the flu, the flu will still be more deadly. And why wouldnt it be? The flu is hundreds of strands and mutations versus this singular strand of covid 19
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 6:47 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 7:53 am to meansonny
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Bad is a relative term.
They like talking in relative terms. Then they can always say, well...4,500 people died, that's bad, right!! See, it was needed to prevent 1M deaths.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:07 am to IT_Dawg
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I am amazed that people compare this to the Swine Flu too...the contraction rate is ridiculously low in comparison...this is sitting somewhere around 15% ytd.
BTW - SARS was at 8% death rate...didn't shut down our economy over those fears
HIV(which led to AIDS) was at 100% for the first decade it was around too
ETA: Besides, the Swine Flu was actually very dangerous to kids, and young adults. THAT should've shut down schools, if they ever should be shut. Also, "if it saves just 1 life," right Cuomo??
All of this. The average age of the deaths from Corona virus in in the U.S. is around 79. In other words it is fatal mostly to older Americans with pre-existing conditions. In sharp contrast, Swine Flu was much more dangerous to young adults and children. This is from a Rueters report published Feb. 12, 2010:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday. LINK
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:11 am to GurleyGirl
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All of this. The average age of the deaths from Corona virus in in the U.S. is around 79. In other words it is fatal mostly to older Americans with pre-existing conditions. In sharp contrast, Swine Flu was much more dangerous to young adults and children. This is from a Rueters report published Feb. 12, 2010:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday. LINK
People keep saying this sort of thing, yet from the OT:
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Btw, this is now officially the fastest killing outbreak of the century.
With the 2381 deaths from yesterday, it has passed the swine flu peak daily deaths in 1/3 of the time (85 days?). Swine flu's peak was approx 2000/day approx 300 days after outbreak.
This has also surpassed the # of confirmed swine flu deaths of 18,036. Not to be confused with the estimated/modeled number people like to quote. Not really fair to compare the estimated number to the coronavirus confirmed number since those deaths are obviously being undercounted in many places as well and will likely be revised post pandemic.
Also, Mayor Bottoms of Atlanta says area hospital ICUs are at capacity NOW. So which is it? Because it seems like the comparison is quickly eroding.
BTW, TWO healthcare workers in GA died in the last couple of days, one 48 and one 42. The 42-year-old had NO underlying conditions and was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child running around. That's some pretty scary shite that she never felt bad enough to seek treatment and *poof*....she dead.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 11:42 am to IT_Dawg
Georgia deathrate currently at 3.21%. This thread will be quite the time capsule a month from now. My hope is the heat and social distancing actually works.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:01 pm to athens-ga
157 new cases reported, 2 deaths at the noon update
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:18 pm to S1C EM
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BTW, TWO healthcare workers in GA died in the last couple of days, one 48 and one 42. The 42-year-old had NO underlying conditions and was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child running around. That's some pretty scary shite that she never felt bad enough to seek treatment and *poof*....she dead.
So the obvious question: if the Coronavirus is so contagious and so deadly how is that a 4 year is running around playing seemingly unaffected?
This anecdotal case fortifies that young people/children have not been susceptible to the virus.
80% of the cases and deaths have been to people over 65 who have pre-existing conditions.
It's hardly surprising that the death rate is higher for several reasons:
1. It's deadly mainly to elderly patients.
2. The normal death rate of people 79 and older is about 6% which is about 3 times higher that the current death rate of the virus.
3. Because of limited testing, the number of people who have been infected (the denominator in determining the death rate) is likely much higher than the current calculations which means that the true death rate is likely much lower.
In short, even if we end up with 3 times the number of total deaths in the U.S. compared to the 17 thousand who died from Swine Flu, I see it as a better situation than what we had with the Swine Flu which killed 1,800 children. And I would add that there was no extreme reaction: no school closings, no business closings, etc. in response to the H1N1 pandemic. So there was no devastating economic impact from the Swine Flu unlike what we are seeing with the Coronvirus. And I would contend that the total impact/hardship from the economic disaster will be far greater than the direct impact of the Coronavirus.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:21 pm to meansonny
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Bad is a relative term.
Yes it is and Bad to the SG is on a very large scale.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:21 pm to IT_Dawg
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The seasonal flu has overwhelmed our hospitals!
Except that it hasn’t.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:25 pm to S1C EM
Link me to the 42yo, nothing on WSB site about it in any of their death lord articles.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:25 pm to meansonny
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You're too drunk to taste this chicken.
Let others explain the point in engrish:
Dr gottlieb:
“There’s a strong and understandable desire to return to better times and a functioning economy. But it should not be lost on anyone that there's no such thing as a functioning economy and society so long as covid-19 continues to spread uncontrolled in our biggest cities.”
Liz Chaney:
“There will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of Americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what’s necessary to stop the virus.”
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:31 pm to djsdawg
500,000 people have been hospitalized with the flu since October, and 35,000 are dead....how has that not overwhelmed our hospitals, but 15,000 hospitalizations from this, have? For frick sake.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:32 pm to GurleyGirl
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I am amazed that people compare this to the Swine Flu too...the contraction rate is ridiculously low in comparison...this is sitting somewhere around 15% ytd.
ETA: Besides, the Swine Flu was actually very dangerous to kids, and young adults. THAT should've shut down schools, if they ever should be shut. Also, "if it saves just 1 life," right Cuomo??
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday. LINK
The 2008-2009 flu season peaked during mid-February. The H1N1 outbreak occurred during Late-March/April in the U.S meaning that there was about a month of decline in regular flu patients in the hospitals and in fact continued to decline until late-August. This decline in regular flu patients meant that hospitals could continue to allocate more resources to H1N1 patients.
Also FYI, most schools were already out for summer by the time the H1N1 outbreak started.
CDC 08-09 Flu Summary
CDC 09-10 Flu Summary
This is not the case with COVID-19 as the outbreak occurred almost simultaneously with when the regular flu season peaks. This is causing a strain on hospital systems throughout the country as evidenced by numerous news reports.
In the end the death rate due to COVID-19 may be small but there's a difference between dying because the condition is untreatable and dying because there's no one there to treat you. The quarantine now is in place to avoid the latter from becoming reality.
This is just my thoughts on the issue but we should really be seeing what the numbers represents and not take them at face value.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:33 pm to IT_Dawg
Shhhh. He’s on a roll. Let him keep spinning because OMB
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:37 pm to djsdawg
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others explain the point in engrish:
Dr gottlieb:
“There’s a strong and understandable desire to return to better times and a functioning economy. But it should not be lost on anyone that there's no such thing as a functioning economy and society so long as covid-19 continues to spread uncontrolled in our biggest cities.”
Liz Chaney:
“There will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of Americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what’s necessary to stop the virus.”
Agree to disagree.
Each area is unique and defined by a different lifestyle (no shite). Mass infections appears to hit areas with mass transit and mass gatherings of old people. There are reasons why retirement communities and New York are getting crushed at a different level than other areas. Are you disputing that each area has unique factors?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:38 pm to GurleyGirl
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And I would contend that the total impact/hardship from the economic disaster will be far greater than the direct impact of the Coronavirus.
But what you have to compare it to is something we will never know for sure, which is # or lives saved. How many would have died if we didn’t shut down the nation? I say that considering we have done far less than many other nations. I expect ya to shut down even further as trump lets this get out of control.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:38 pm to deeprig9
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Link me to the 42yo, nothing on WSB site about it in any of their death lord articles.
Presumably this is the one...
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A 42-year-old hospital worker in Georgia who had coronavirus was found dead in her home with her 4-year-old child by her body.
Diedre Wilkes' body was discovered Thursday in the living room of her home in Newnan, about 40 miles southwest of Atlanta, after a family member called the Coweta County Sheriff's Office requesting a welfare check, the coroner, Richard Hawk, told NBC News on Wednesday.
It's believed she died 12 to 16 hours before she was found, the coroner said.
A posthumous coronavirus test was conducted and came back positive for COVID-19, according to Hawk. Wilkes did not have any known underlying health conditions, and an autopsy is being conducted, he said.
Wilkes worked as a mammogram technician at Piedmont Newnan Hospital, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
A hospital spokesperson said in a statement Wednesday that the staff was "deeply saddened when the coroner notified us ... of the sudden passing of our colleague."
LINK
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:39 pm to IT_Dawg
quote:Theres a big difference due to the time that flu season is spread out over and the fact that covid is much worse about hot spots which has a higher tendency to overload a local hospital system.
500,000 people have been hospitalized with the flu since October, and 35,000 are dead....how has that not overwhelmed our hospitals, but 15,000 hospitalizations from this, have? For frick sake.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:43 pm to IT_Dawg
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how has that not overwhelmed our hospitals
Fact is, critical cases didn’t exceed our capabilities for that, but are doing so for this. Explain that difference.
Btw, We have tamiflu to help mitigate symptoms of the flu. We have vaccines to help lesson the effects of the flu when you still catch it.
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