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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:58 am to Barstools
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:58 am to Barstools
quote:perhaps I am speculating, but the facts support my statement
Bull shite! You're speculating. New York was never over capacity and many ventilators and beds went unused. Stop being dishonest.
think of it like this, George Carlin once said that SOMEWHERE out there is the world's worst doctor, and SOMEBODY has an appointment to see him tomorrow
how may people had to wait for critical resources? How many died that would have lived had their results been known earlier in the cycle?
MOST of the people that get on hydroxychloroquine early in the process make a full recovery; had this thing been spread out over time, more people would have received better, or rather, more personal care
How many died that would have made it if they had been able to receive more attention? How many were "triaged" out of the ER to make room for someone else that had a better chance?
so yes, I am speculating, but the empirical evidence is strong to validate my point
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:06 am to dcbl
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perhaps I am speculating, but the facts support my statement
What facts? Where is the evidence people died because NY was overwhelmed by this virus. That's completely baseless and statements like these are fueling the hysteria. There's is zero evidence top support this. In fact, overall hospitalizations are down. How's that work?
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:35 am to Barstools
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Where is the evidence people died because NY was overwhelmed by this virus. That's completely baseless and statements like these are fueling the hysteria.
no
it is not baseless
we did not use ALL of the beds that Trump brought in for NY; but some were used
when the doctors and nurses are as busy as they have been, they doctors simply cannot give everyone (or even most) the personal care and attention they need
when the people that take care of us have more to do than they can keep up with in a short period of time; individual care suffers
are you arguing that is incorrect?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:41 am to dcbl
The latest out of NYC is their net intake is actually lower than normal because car and motorcycle accidents are down, and alot of the covid intake are people would have been admitted without covid, due to their serious underlying condition. Citizen Q was destined to have a stroke on april 5th, sure enough, he comes in, covid positive, gets counted on the covid books instead of the stroke book. Lots of stories about "where have all the heart attacks gone?"
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:43 am to dcbl
also -- it looks like the hydroxychloroquine treatments are have a MAJOR impact in a positive way
MOST people that get on the treatment early in the process recover 100%
had these cases been spread out over months, then more people would have gotten this treatment early and less would have died
having said that, it is now time to start opening things back up
for MOST flyover states, that means going back to normal
in areas like NOLA & NYC (and even Atlanta); this means "phased in" re-openings
start with retail and work up from there
it is time to get back to work
MOST people that get on the treatment early in the process recover 100%
had these cases been spread out over months, then more people would have gotten this treatment early and less would have died
having said that, it is now time to start opening things back up
for MOST flyover states, that means going back to normal
in areas like NOLA & NYC (and even Atlanta); this means "phased in" re-openings
start with retail and work up from there
it is time to get back to work
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:48 am to dcbl
Can anyone give me a quick-stat of % of deaths per hospitalization?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:39 am to dcbl
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in areas like NOLA & NYC (and even Atlanta); this means "phased in" re-openings
With everything FEMA stockpiled, and an abundance of extra beds (Nola had an additional FEMA hospital built, not even being used, Kemp is turning GWCC in temp hospital, et al.) then I see no reason to slow those sites down either. They have the most capacity.
If two weeks after reopenning, the data starts to get scary again, we can lock down again wherever that hotspot looks to be occurring.
Hotspots will continue to flare up like with any structure fire that is getting put out. Spray some water over here. Ok spray some water over there. Need some more water over there, ok good it's out now.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:04 am to deeprig9
Hotspots can't be identified early enough to be controlled without mass testing. We don't have mass testing.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:29 am to Whiznot
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Hotspots can't be identified early enough to be controlled without mass testing. We don't have mass testing.
Depends on your definition of control.
A lot of people are inevitably going to get sick and die in some places. Not as many as initially thought by some, but a lot. That is inevitable no matter what strategy we take from here.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:30 am to djsdawg
quote:You're basically Juan Williams getting his arse handed to him by Jesse Waters in this video: LINK
As of now, I am glad the efforts of individual states overcame the weak leadership from our president.
DJS (in his Juan Williams voice):
"The President is the President. He gets information that nobody else gets earlier than anyone else. [Ignoring Obama's standard of "I learned about it when you did, from the media." Apparently this narrative and standard only applies to Trump]
What we know from the NYT, WaPo, and AP is that President Trump was warned several times, but what the President did was downplay these warnings early on. He called people alarmists for spooking the stock market, and he should take responsibility there for being slow.
A lot of people and the media were slow to react and act on this, but they're not The President. If President Trump had acted more quickly, lives could have been saved.
The President was much more invested in being a cheerleader for our nation and trying to protect his economy than he was trying to save lives."
Me (in my Jesse Waters voice):
"This all falls on China, not Donald Trump. DJS, the rest of the Lefty asshats, and the media are trying to compare Trump to an after-the-matter perfect case hypothetical in this situation.
Trump is certainly not perfect, but look at the media and the Left's absurd perfect scenario...
They are suggesting that Donald Trump, in the middle of a Senate Impeachment trial, should have sent the Senators home to shelter in place.
They are suggesting that Donald Trump should have told the voting public, 'Don't go to the polls on Super-Tuesday, stay home and shelter in place.'
They are suggesting that Donald Trump should have horded PPE and medical devices, and told the rest of the world to go screw themselves because 'Merica First!', at the same time THEY were ridiculing him for a travel ban, downplaying the virus, and telling everyone to go to parades, ride the subway, and continue doing what they normally do.
For him to have reacted stronger earlier and been insensitive to ally countries, this would have had to be the actions and rhetoric in February, before even one person had died (remember first death was March 1st).
Could you imagine the reaction if Donald Trump would have done this during the impeachment trial or Super-Tuesday or at the time EU/Asian countries were beginning to see deaths... before we even had a single death and only reports of a handful of confirmed cases?
I mean you can see the headlines now... 'AMERICAN DESPOTISM!'
'Trump is trying to obstruct Congress to shut down his impeachment!'
'Trump is trying to prevent voters from voting in primaries! Election interference!'
'Trump is unwilling to help allied countries with an encroaching pandemic! He's such a xenophobe/racist/bigot!'
The travel ban came down at the end of January, and the full economic shut down came down mid-March. That was six weeks that flew by. And it wasn't like this was six weeks of the media, Democrats, DJS, and all the other Leftist hacks screaming for Trump to shut down the economy, implement social distancing mandates, and horde PPE and ventilators.
No... In fact, the entire month of February, they were crying about impeachment failing (but don't forget that 'bi-partisan' vote thanks to Mittens!), how Mini-Mike was going to give Trump his best fight, and how Bernie was supposedly in 4th place.
And oh yeah, Corona is no big deal, ride the subway, go to the movies and parades, and make sure Trump knows he's a xenophobe for banning travel to/from China and Italy.
And in the end, we didn't come close to running out of beds, or ventilators, or masks, or PPE. And we haven't come close to any of the fear-mongered projections the media and these clowns used to push a shutdown.
In fact, more people in the US died in March of 2019 than died in March of 2020, by a surprisingly large margin (~10% less).
This 'perfect handling scenario' they are now crying about in hindsight is bullshite and they know it. They would have cried no matter what he did. And they would have cried worse if he had acted any sooner, as already proven by their cries about the travel ban.
They cried early on that Trump was doing something wrong, even though the travel ban was the earliest action possible and likely saved lives.
They cried in the middle that Trump was doing something wrong, even though they had criticized the travel ban and acted like the virus was no big deal for weeks after Trump had begun taking action already.
And they are crying now that Trump has done something wrong, even though the curve is clearly flattening drastically and much faster than expected, deaths are nowhere near their absurd projections, hospitals didn't come close to being overrun, we didn't come close to running out of PPE, and as a result, the ultimate prognosis of this event appears to be a smashing success in regards to saving lives.
EVERYTHING is better than projected by multiple factors, and yet somehow Trump did something wrong?
Fact is, some of you folks just want to hate Trump, and no matter what he did or does, you will continue to search for anything you can hate him for, intellectual honesty and equal application of standards be damned."
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:07 am to BeefDawg
In order to manage the hoax pandemic the fat orange clown demands absolute authority with zero responsibility. Morons everywhere are so proud.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:08 am to Whiznot
quote:This from the abominable fricktard who said a million Americans will die from this virus by year’s end.
In order to manage the hoax pandemic the fat orange clown demands absolute authority with zero responsibility. Morons everywhere are so proud.
Eat a fat bag of dicks you insufferable idiot.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:29 am to BeefDawg
I appreciate the quote. It can't be said enough.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:53 am to Crowknowsbest
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Yes, but we’re just kicking the can on the inevitable balloon.
ETA: also, the size of said balloon is very TBD, but unlikely anywhere close to initial projections
That’s all definitely fair. One of my biggest concerns from this is that as soon as we open things back up, the number hits another spike.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:55 am to Barstools
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it doesn't change the amount of deaths. We're going to end with the same number regardless, it's whether we hit that number in April or later with social distancing.
That’s not what the lead analysts and President’s data have shown, but you could know more than them on this.
A large part of it was also trying to avoid situations like Italy and NYC were worried about where we didn’t have space for everyone who needed to be hospitalized.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:05 pm to Whiznot
you live a pretty miserable life. that TDS you have is severe
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:06 pm to BeefDawg
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This from the abominable fricktard who said a million Americans will die from this virus by year’s end.
Trumps own people said 2.2 million.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:10 pm to DawgsLife
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How about Cuomo and Deblasio and the Governors in the Northeast? Did you see where they are planning to open up and eliminate social distancing in a few weeks?
Go on record. Are you for this or against this?
What are their exact plans going forward?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:16 pm to IT_Dawg
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Show me the chart where best case was ever 35,000 deaths......
You think that’s where the final death toll stops?
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Now tell me this should have shut down the world in October before anyone really knew about it
Who said anything about shutting down the world in October? No one.
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