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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:32 am to Whiznot
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:32 am to Whiznot
I'm talking about patients, not staff. You seem to be super aware and scared of this whole thing so you're obviously more cautious than the under 50 patients roaming around my facility right now. You can argue all you want but you don't see what I see from inside your house.
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:36 am to TMDawg
quote:Right. They touch everything outside - gas pumps, door handles, all the disgusting shite - then touch their steering wheel or their phone or their clothes... People think gloves make them impervious to everything.
I see people driving around with them on
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:42 am to IT_Dawg
Also, I never got an answer from the butt-buddy bunker boys on if this was a credible source, after Whiznutjob posted an article by a "Stanford educated scientist"...funny they don't like his findings, so they wont admit he is credible.
BUT, guess what Stanford is now doing...They are looking into the fact that California might have gotten herd immunity dating back to late last year when no one knew about the virus and that's why they haven't had the same issue as NYC...
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John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.
BUT, guess what Stanford is now doing...They are looking into the fact that California might have gotten herd immunity dating back to late last year when no one knew about the virus and that's why they haven't had the same issue as NYC...
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:52 am to deeprig9
quote:High blood sugar can make someone immunocompromised. Doesn't matter what type of diabetes. If you're blood sugar is uncontrolled, you'll end up immunocompromised and with bad circulation. I'm not smart enough to explain why...there are a myriad of comorbidities that go with high blood glucose.
What is it about diabetes that also causes this
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:08 am to IT_Dawg
Why is Stanford educated scientist in quotation marks? Where is a link to your information.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:57 am to IT_Dawg
John P.A. Ioannidis wrote the following.
Why are we still flying blind? Why does Trump erupt in rage every time a reporter begs for more testing? The testing isn't perfect--testing has been deficient ever since the administration rejected the German WHO test. Why isn't there a national testing program that samples the general population?
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Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.
Why are we still flying blind? Why does Trump erupt in rage every time a reporter begs for more testing? The testing isn't perfect--testing has been deficient ever since the administration rejected the German WHO test. Why isn't there a national testing program that samples the general population?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:11 am to Whiznot
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Why is Stanford educated scientist in quotation marks?
Because you linked some scary article written by someone that touted themselves as a Stanford educated scientist, and I linked an article by a professor that had the opposite opinion.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:20 am to IT_Dawg
The scientist you wrote about said clearly that he doesn't have sufficient information to form an opinion due to the lack of general population testing.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:33 am to IT_Dawg
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:49 am to Whiznot
I'm assuming your position is the government should make American companies stop selling goods to China?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:18 am to SneakyWaff1es
I'm saying the federal government should have been stockpiling PPE and ventilators because we had early warning of the pandemic. Not only did we fail to add to our stockpile, check out the following public information release.
This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.
Today, the United States government is announcing it is prepared to spend up to $100 million in existing funds to assist China and other impacted countries, both directly and through multilateral organizations, to contain and combat the novel coronavirus. This commitment – along with the hundreds of millions generously donated by the American private sector – demonstrates strong U.S. leadership in response to the outbreak.
Proud of our rapid facilitation of the delivery of donated life-saving personal protection equipment and medical and humanitarian relief supplies to the people affected by the #coronavirus in #China. Grateful to the generous U.S. organizations donating to the relief efforts. pic.twitter.com/wWvRuftELF
— Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) February 4, 2020
People who aren't Fox News & Trump brainwashed morons would like to know why the Trump administration is willing to supply China but tells US states that they're on their own.
This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people.
Today, the United States government is announcing it is prepared to spend up to $100 million in existing funds to assist China and other impacted countries, both directly and through multilateral organizations, to contain and combat the novel coronavirus. This commitment – along with the hundreds of millions generously donated by the American private sector – demonstrates strong U.S. leadership in response to the outbreak.
Proud of our rapid facilitation of the delivery of donated life-saving personal protection equipment and medical and humanitarian relief supplies to the people affected by the #coronavirus in #China. Grateful to the generous U.S. organizations donating to the relief efforts. pic.twitter.com/wWvRuftELF
— Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) February 4, 2020
People who aren't Fox News & Trump brainwashed morons would like to know why the Trump administration is willing to supply China but tells US states that they're on their own.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:07 am to Whiznot
Because on Feb. 4 they needed them more. Ventilators cost between $25-$50K so if you assume that a vent costs $30K, at $27.2 million mentioned in the article that would be 900 ventilators sent. China just sent back 1000 to NY. Win Win.
The fact is many governers way overestimated the amount they needed based incorrect models (Cuomo claimed 2 weeks ago he needed 30,000) and today we do not have a shortage.
Amazing how those so blinded by their hatred of trump are desperately trying to pin anything they can on him.
The fact is many governers way overestimated the amount they needed based incorrect models (Cuomo claimed 2 weeks ago he needed 30,000) and today we do not have a shortage.
Amazing how those so blinded by their hatred of trump are desperately trying to pin anything they can on him.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:14 am to Whiznot
So if you did that chart per capita for a true comparison, the US would not be there. We are 21st with most on that chart ahead of us.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:19 am to tgdawg68
How do we compare to China per capita? They have 1.386 billion. We have more than 1 billion fewer people.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:39 am to Whiznot
The numbers that China reports is almost assuredly false but they may still rank better. But who cares. The point is that the plot you posted does not tell the true story. The US is not near the top 10.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:42 pm to Whiznot
quote:So the government stockpiles ventilators. Then the ventilators get distributed to hospitals that need them. Who exactly do you propose take care of those patients? You think every nurse knows how to take care of an patient on a vent? You think in a situation like this you can just pull a nurse from a med surg floor and pop them in the ICU and they'll be ready to go? That nurse would look at you like you have a dick growing from your forehead then probably have a panic attack.
I'm saying the federal government should have been stockpiling PPE and ventilators
Hospitals are like everywhere else that's run by money. They have enough staff to run daily business. That's it. It would take weeks to train nurses that get pulled from PACU to work by themselves on a vent patient.
Also....if a COVID-19 patient gets put on a vent, they're probably going to die.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:54 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Also....if a COVID-19 patient gets put on a vent, they're probably going to die.
Yes, but in NYC 20% of them recover. The survival rate is higher in some places.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:55 pm to Whiznot
quote:That's a pretty optimistic way of saying 80% of them die.
20% of them recover
Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:00 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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What is it about diabetes that also causes this
High blood sugar can make someone immunocompromised. Doesn't matter what type of diabetes. If you're blood sugar is uncontrolled, you'll end up immunocompromised and with bad circulation. I'm not smart enough to explain why...there are a myriad of comorbidities that go with high blood glucose.
Diabetics often have low hemoglobin levels.
Hemoglobin carries oxygen throughout the body.
ICU doctors have described Covid19 patients as not looking like your typical pneumonia patients. They appear more like patients of altitude sickness where they cant get enough oxygen through through the body.
I dont know much about diabetes. But a lot of the thought is pointing to dangerously low oxygen levels (even outside of scarring and damage to the lungs).
Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:01 pm to SneakyWaff1es
quote:Not to mention suddenly needing more respiratory therapists, etc. I think a lot of people don’t realize you don’t just hook the tube up to a vent and wait for them to get better
Hospitals are like everywhere else that's run by money. They have enough staff to run daily business. That's it. It would take weeks to train nurses that get pulled from PACU to work by themselves on a vent patient.
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