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re: (OT) Better Call Saul final season...April 18th

Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:11 pm to
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Presumably, perhaps, to do at some point in the future in total darkness. It seems like we're on a collision course with a gus/lalo confrontation in the lab


And that's a wrap on the BCS Gustavo/Mike/Lalo story:

Lalo uses the sliderule gift to track down one or more of Werner's "jungs" outside of Hamburg and gets the info on the lab out of them in some gory twisted way. (No way they get off as easy as Margarita did) Then, somehow someway, Lalo eventually takes Gus into the lab at gun point, Gus pulls the symbolic power Line cord of their trajectories apart (which is also a facemelter symbolic line act), darkness falls, a shot rings out from the hidden gun on the excavator tread, and Lalo bleeds out with that shiteater devil's grin of his still going, and then he's buried by concrete and rebar under the floor of the lab. And then whenever you catch a rerun of BB at 2am some time, you'll think about how Jessie and Walt are cooking meth on top of Lalo's bones.

That's 100% how this part of the final season goes down. The only question I have about it is how and why will Lalo go this far after Gus without clueing his Uncle or anyone else in about what he has learned about the lab. Also, I'm sure Mike will pull off one last badass heroic act in how it all goes down. And so I guess, now, the only real mystery left is what happens to Kim and HOward.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 6:59 pm to


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Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:34 pm to
“Axe and Grind”

That’s the title of tomorrow’s episode.

Theme for Season 6 episode titles is clearly “Blank and Blank”. Carrot and Stick, Black and Blue, Rock and Hard Place. Etc

Anyone want to completely whiff on what “Axe and Grind” could mean? Like the dude that said Black and Blue was Hispanic translator code for Walt and Jessie appearing in prequel

?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:41 pm to
There’s an actual axe in the deceptive dishonest episode preview though


Prediction: Kim’s toxic masculinity father in a BCS flash forward opening teaser. Walking through the midwestern quiet snow drifts , that if googled, are within a days drive of Omaha
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:03 am to
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Prediction: Kim’s toxic masculinity father


do we know anything at all about kim's father? I know we saw one opening scene last season with her alcoholic mother but I can't recall anythign about her dad.

Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:26 am to
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do we know anything at all about kim's father? I know we saw one opening scene last season with her alcoholic mother but I can't recall anythign about her dad.

Just that when Kim makes Saul watch the black and white "Ice Station Zebra" movie, she fondly says that she used to watch these movies with her dad. And he loved them. And she knows every line by heart, etc.

Then in Breaking Bad, we know Saul's tax shelter outfit is called "Ice Station Zebra and Associates". Every time he takes a check from someone, he tells them to make it out to "Ice Station Zebra & Associates" but can we talk about Picknicking at HHM now??


Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:38 am to
"Picknicking at HHM"

There once was a TV show about a wholesome American family that let a motorcycle hoodlum live in their garage for some reason. People loved it for many years. Then in one episode, everything changed. The whole crew went on vacation to Hawaii and the one called Fonzie water ski'd over a shark with his leather jacket on, and after that, the series got weird and sucked. And the phrase "jumping the shark" was born.

But the phrase is what? 40 years old now? So I propose it be updated to "Picknicking at HHM". As in for example "Man, that show used to be so good, but then it went off the rails in season 2. Dude, it totally Picknicked at HHM ".

WTF?

Man!! I hate doing this. ANd trust me, that boxing garbage last week was so terrible and cringe, but I bit my tongue, and said nothing. I let it slide because I love this show.But now it's two weeks in a row and I can't hold back my disapointment at what is happening anymore. "Hey, babe, Grab a blanket, some brie and toasted artisinal crackers, and a bottle of Malbec. And let's have a middle-aged picknick in our litigator costumes at midnight on Omaha Beach. Oops, I mean in the bushes at an office park where that guy you boxed works." Sorry dudes. That's fricking terrible. Just awful. We watied two years for this.

I mean, imagine being a kid and for some reason your parents canceled CHristmas one year or delayed it and said they'd make it up to you next year with Ultra Christmas. Then Delayed Ultra Christmas finally arrives and the first six presents you open in a row each contain a pair of socks. That's what this is. My gosh. This is infuriating.

Hang on.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:08 am to
It has seemed to drag more than usual lately. If it makes you feel any better (it does for me kinda) I read on the tv board that Vince originally had a 10 episode story in mind for htis final season but AMC wanted him to split in half and have two, 7 episode portions instead. Going from 10 episodes in your head to 14 leads to a lot of extra screen time to fill so if that is true I can at least undersatnd why we're getting so much filler. It feel slike this "let's ruin howard" storyline has dragged on for ages, and I still don't really get the lalo in germany storyline. I mean, I GET it, but it's just not landing with me and seems a bit unnecessary.

I want Gene dammit, we haven't gotten a second of gene yet this season. On the bright side we've only got 1 ep left til the midway point and I have to imagine vince is saving a face melter for us. For refernece the midway point ending ep of BB final season was when hank finally discovers heisenberg's identity, in additoin to a bunch of other stuff.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:03 pm to
Hey yall, I just got out of tigerdropping jail.

Remind me what the picnic scene was? Maybe I was in the bathroom for that scene?
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:10 pm to
literally the final scene of the episode
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:22 pm to
Saul and Kimmie had a midnight picnic at HHM at the end of the episode? Maybe my brain blocked it out.

I agree with JD about the boxing match, that was very cringy. Maybe my brain simply rejected this alleged picnic scene.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:31 pm to
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I agree with JD about the boxing match, that was very cringy. Maybe my brain simply rejected this alleged picnic scene.

You know in Hollywood now, to be eligible for all their self-congratulatory awards etc, they have to be able to prove x amount of diversity at every single production position. So, I can pretty much gurantee you that the female quota portion of the writers is 100% responsible for the boxing cringe part of the story. I can see that being how a millenial female would imagine how a wealthy high society professional would handle a two bit scumbag conman trying to ruin his career. By putting on the gloves and going a few rounds in the squared circle complete with ref and headgear. So terrible.

As for the picnic at HHM, every single thing about it was horrible. From calling it a picnic at Normandy beach to the blanket and wine. All of it. But the worst part of all was how they panned up quietly at the end...for the big mic drop reveal.....that (gasp!).....oh my gosh! They are picnicking in the dirt at HHM!!!

It's so awful that it's funny. But also sad because it's beneath this show to let women writers ruin it like this.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:41 pm to
shite I need to see this to jog my memory. Any links to any replays or clips of this picnic?
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:44 pm to
On another note... is Howard gay, and keeping up appearances with the fake wife? No kids....
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:46 pm to
From the NY Times TV writer, and I must agree:

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Can anyone explain the dramatic reason for the encounter between Kim and Francesca in Jimmy/Saul’s office? If it had been deleted, what exactly would be missing?


It's a good question. Another female writer interjecting drama where it isn't necessary?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:01 pm to
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It feel slike this "let's ruin howard" storyline has dragged on for ages, and I still don't really get the lalo in germany storyline.

Here's where I think those two story lines are going and partially why they are dragging (outside of them just being out of good ideas):

-Lalo in Germany hunting down the architect/engineers makes the underground lab the focal point. Lalo always knew Gus was up to something. Building something. Even before the attempted hit. Now the secret lab's existence is the proof he needs to convince the other cartel bosses that Gus is undermining them with a meth side hussle. ANd since we know from BB that Gus remains working with the cartels, we know that Lalo will be unsuccessful in proving this. And so Gus will shoot Lalo in the lab. In the dark. Raise a clinched fist when Gus disconnects the power Line right before this goes down. I still don't understand though how he will get all the way to the lab without informing anyone else about what he's learned. But he will

-as for the "lets ruin howard" corny scam deal that the female writers on staff are probably responsible for coming up with. I think a large part of it is how they are suddenly going to great pains to make Howard a sypmpathetic character. They are doing this imo because Howard is going to get caught in the middle when this grift and the cartel lines cross (crossing lines everywhere now too), and HOward will be murdered. And it will be Kim's fault. Just look at that 10 minute watching paint dry scene where Howard makes his wife the most complex cup of coffee in american history. He even writes a peace sign in it (circle with lines in it, btw. which are everywhere now) But, she just sloshes it into a copper Yeti mug and snaps a built-for-the-wild mag-slider lid on it spilling half of it. (Huge continuity error there btw, because the special edition copper and granite colors weren't released until about 3 or 4 years ago tops) BUt that was a very subtle and devastating scene. His wife has clearly fallen out of love with him. SO brutal. And sowe are pulled in and feel sympathy for all that he is going through. To make it that much more dramatic and heart-breaking when the time comes and Howard is forced to his knees and executed at point blank range. The sound of the gunshot echoing off of the ancient desert cliffs in the background and out into the vivid blue New Mexico sky. Fade to black. Roll credits
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:20 pm to
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Can anyone explain the dramatic reason for the encounter between Kim and Francesca in Jimmy/Saul’s office? If it had been deleted, what exactly would be missing?

Fancesca has a mysterious and huge role coming up. Remember the flash forward into the BB timeline from a few seasons ago? Where Saul breaks through the US COnstitution behind his desk and retreives the shoe box from BCS episode 1 before he calls the vacuum cleaner disappearer? Well, right before that Saul has a conversation with Francesca making her promise to be at some pay phone in the middle of nowher at 3 pm sharp on such and such date (which later we learn will be Saul's 50th birthday)

On this tip as well, they changed the theme song intro for this episode to show the pay phone instead of the cadillac etc as usual. ALso, the montage was almost entirely in black and white when its usually full color. Defintiely go back and watch it.

Anyway, it almost has to be that Kim will be the person making that phone call that Saul makes Francesca swear to be there for since he's getting disappeared. So maybe the scene with Francesca and Kim is just reaquainting us with Kim and Francesca's relationship and how she always loved Kim so much. ALso, clearly something happens to turn the office from Francesca decore with all the blues and greens and molding into theyellow and brown shite hole we see in BB with the pillars of justice and the constitution and lady liberty on the roof etc. SO I guess that scene wants us to notice Saul's office didn't just go full patriotic shite hole from the jump. It was tacky under Francesca's decor, but at least it was clean then and the scumbag hadn't stooped to exploiting our founding documents and flag.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:32 pm to
I still don't think Howard dies. Howard still remains the only single character in the entire series that isn't soiled in some way. They tricked us in the first two seasons into thinking he was an evil prick, until you find out it was actually Chuck behind the prickitude. What has Howard done to deserve any of the bullshite being done to him? He is Job at this point.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:13 pm to
I’m rewatching this episode:

-lyrics from song in final shot of the Kim flashback are… “Every little thing The Reflex does is an answer to the question mark”

-Howard’s wife doesn’t even say goodbye in the coffee/copper yeti scene. She just walks out and leaves him standing there. Brutal

-I think the complicated peace-a-chino coffee scene has more meaning than at first glance. Howard makes the peace-a-chino for his wife then boils water for tea for himself. Then later whatever pills Saul gets from the vet that make his pupils bug out, the vet says “it’s like two Red Bulls on an empty stomach “

-I think vet pills will be slipped to Howard to give him the crazy eyes and since the poor guy only drinks a cup of earl grey in the morning, the pupil pills will geek him up big time and make him tweet like a meth junkie with jitters.

-lame

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Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:35 pm to
-more caffeinated beverages in the next scene…

-Kim and guitar lawyer get cups of court house joe from the vending machine with closeups of dispenser mechanisms of the crude slop

-guitar lawyer winces after first sip

-caffeine theme is real



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