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re: (OT) Better Call Saul final season...April 18th
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:37 am to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 7/11/22 at 7:37 am to Jefferson Dawg
I'm so jacked for tonight, can't believe the ride is almost over. Each season usually begins with a black and white gene scene but season 6 went away from that and hasnt' given us any gene. I wonder if they'll open tonight with it?
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Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 2:21 am to WG_Dawg
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Each season usually begins with a black and white gene scene but season 6 went away from that and hasnt' given us any gene.
The fact that they killed Lalo off this early makes me think we get 1-2 full episodes of Gene or at least constant flash forwards
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:39 am to diddlydawg7
I think I read somewhere a few months back that we were going ot get at least 1 full gene episode at some point in the series. I've gotta imagine the finale is probably going to be all gene.
Wiht lalo and howard removed what are the major non-saul/non-gene storylines left to resolve?
-sandpiper settlement
-salamanca fallout from lalos death
-kim's direction in life since she bailed on that other job
All important but can probably be wrapped up in ~3 episodes I'd imagine. Leaving a whole lotta gene.
Wiht lalo and howard removed what are the major non-saul/non-gene storylines left to resolve?
-sandpiper settlement
-salamanca fallout from lalos death
-kim's direction in life since she bailed on that other job
All important but can probably be wrapped up in ~3 episodes I'd imagine. Leaving a whole lotta gene.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
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I'm so jacked for tonight, can't believe the ride is almost over.
Yeah. Between 8 and 9pm, I probably checked my watch 20 times wishing it would hurry up and get here.
Best thing I can say about it though, is that I am mostly just very very thankful that they blazed through all of that in one episode. Because nothing in this part of the story was shocking or unexpected. They already literally walked us through it already
Things I Really LIked Though:
-the episode title was "Point & Shoot". But, I really liked how when Lalo is explaining to Saul how to point and shoot at Gus, he was also actually explaining how he himself would die in about 50 minutes. With Gus blindly pointing and shooting in the dark, pulling the trigger "until there are no more bullets". click, click, click, click (empty gun Gus soundeffect)
-I also like how Lalo is disgusted by Kim and Jimmy and "their mouths". Amen brother. Los cookaraches
-and I like how he points out the most obvious thing of all which is how does a loser like Jimmy get a woman like Kim. Thank you to the writers for confessing to us in this moment that they realize how absurd that relationship is
-Also, Mike was in top form peak total badass mode. When the pressure's on and Mike takes control with supreme confidence and competence and is barking orders at subordinates and lecturing traumatized people in shock, it's an awesome thing to watch.
-that shot of Saul watching Howard's body go into the fridge was deeply unsettling and disturbing. Felt more like BB than BCS
-and it was very cool how Saul's last words before Lalo puts the gag on are the exact same words he says to Jessie and Walt AFTER they remove the gag.... "It wasn't me. It was Ignacio."
Thing I Didn't Like:
-you really want me to believe that Kim would actually drive to that adress and try to murder some random human?
-give me a break
-i'll suspend disbelief and play along because it ties the plot together, but that was terrible
-One, her character would never in a million years do that. Two, as Lalo was explaining to Saul that he had a loaded gun down in the car for him, I immediately thought, "YES! Now go get that thing, sneak back up, and blow Lalo's fricking brains out. This'll be awesome! Then get Mike to clean shite up"
-but instead, Kim the supposed noble and righteous queen protector of the downtrodded and disenfranchised obediently drives off to go murder a rando in cold blood.
-no way. nope. can't handle it but whatever
Predictions:
-Kim dying is off the table now. ANother death at this point would be too predictable
-And I think the black and white has more meaning than just "Gene timeline" now
-the teasers etc have everything from all timelines in black and white suddenly
-and the show intro with the theme song has slowly faded to all black and white
-which is all obviously a giant metaphor. and the theme of the show about black and white vs the grey area etc
-So, I'm sorry to spoil this for you, but this show won't have a black and white ending (meaning it won't have a clear cut black and white ending like BB did)
-I think they're about to try something really bold and weird. And conveniently vague.
-in the grey area
Posted on 7/12/22 at 9:59 am to Jefferson Dawg
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-Kim dying is off the table now.
bout to go to a meeting but why is this? These producers and writers are brilliant, so I don't think they'd retcon Kim into Breaking Bad matters since she wasn't even a thought during that timeline. So she either has to disappear (vaccum guy?), leave town and start a new life somewhere else, or die. I'm not saying she WILL die, but if we assume she isn't around albequerque during BB (which in BCS timeline is very, very quickly approaching) she's gotta go somwhere.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:56 am to WG_Dawg
She won't die because of what you said about the writers being brilliant. They just got done killing the majority of the original BCS cast Nacho, Howard, and Lalo in a span of 6 episodes, so I don't believe for a second they'll give Kim, their prized favorite character, the same fate. They'll want to do something much more creative
One new giant piece of the puzzle concerning Kim's fate not to be overlooked is that she has now been introduced to one Gustavo Fring. A man who just paid for and orchestrated the removal, disposal, and cover up of a dead corpse from her living room. And all after she walked up to his doorstep in the middle of the night with a loaded gun and tried to assasinate him. You think Gus forgets the night of Kim and Jimmy's "D-Day"?
Hell no. Kim is now in the game.
Will the diabolical genius Gus exploit her and her scamming, lawyer talents with the leverage he now holds over her? Will he consult with Mike who believes Jimmy is a buffoon but that Kim is "made of stronger stuff" than Jimmy and who knows all about Kim's involvement in the HOward scam? That's where I'm leaning.
Kim's fate is working for Fring.
And that would be diabolical as hell that all she suspossedly wanted to do was be a pro bono lawyer for the downtrodden and disenfrachised, but she ends up a cartel slave lawyer instead.
It's perfect. Walt just wanted to raise money to help his family for when cancer took him. But, his greed took over along the way and he became the monster that was always inside of him. Jimmy just wanted the approval of his brother so he became a lawyer, but it could never change the scumbag he truly is inside so he becomes cheating lying criminal scumbag lawyer. Mike volunteered for the cartel game but tried to live in both worlds. In the light with his grandaughter and daughter in law and in the dark of the underworld. But the evil in the dark took his life on a river bank. And Kim......she couldn't resist her inner scam desires, her attraction to the loser Jimmy. SHe wanted to be Matlock for the disenfranchised, but her sins forced her to use her talents for Gus Fring instead. ONe of the most evil people on earth.
In fact, the more I think of how awkard the plot was that brought Kim to Gus's doorstep with a gun, the more it makes sense. The writers know that that was a pretty thin and awkward segue, but how else were they suppose to cross Kim's trajectory lines with Fring's?
THis actually kind of sucks figuring it out how it ends this early. frick!
One new giant piece of the puzzle concerning Kim's fate not to be overlooked is that she has now been introduced to one Gustavo Fring. A man who just paid for and orchestrated the removal, disposal, and cover up of a dead corpse from her living room. And all after she walked up to his doorstep in the middle of the night with a loaded gun and tried to assasinate him. You think Gus forgets the night of Kim and Jimmy's "D-Day"?
Hell no. Kim is now in the game.
Will the diabolical genius Gus exploit her and her scamming, lawyer talents with the leverage he now holds over her? Will he consult with Mike who believes Jimmy is a buffoon but that Kim is "made of stronger stuff" than Jimmy and who knows all about Kim's involvement in the HOward scam? That's where I'm leaning.
Kim's fate is working for Fring.
And that would be diabolical as hell that all she suspossedly wanted to do was be a pro bono lawyer for the downtrodden and disenfrachised, but she ends up a cartel slave lawyer instead.
It's perfect. Walt just wanted to raise money to help his family for when cancer took him. But, his greed took over along the way and he became the monster that was always inside of him. Jimmy just wanted the approval of his brother so he became a lawyer, but it could never change the scumbag he truly is inside so he becomes cheating lying criminal scumbag lawyer. Mike volunteered for the cartel game but tried to live in both worlds. In the light with his grandaughter and daughter in law and in the dark of the underworld. But the evil in the dark took his life on a river bank. And Kim......she couldn't resist her inner scam desires, her attraction to the loser Jimmy. SHe wanted to be Matlock for the disenfranchised, but her sins forced her to use her talents for Gus Fring instead. ONe of the most evil people on earth.
In fact, the more I think of how awkard the plot was that brought Kim to Gus's doorstep with a gun, the more it makes sense. The writers know that that was a pretty thin and awkward segue, but how else were they suppose to cross Kim's trajectory lines with Fring's?
THis actually kind of sucks figuring it out how it ends this early. frick!
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:05 am to Jefferson Dawg
And I think that the much hyped Jessie and Walt appearances aren't just fun little cameos. I bet they will be flash forward scenes that somehow explain Kim and tie her into the BB timeline. Jessie and Walt on their own or together will have crossed paths with her somehow at some point and our faces will melt off when we see it.
And don't forget what happens to Fring in BB and when that happens, Kim is free. Free to meet up with Gene in the black and white. If she even wants to anymore
It all really is making sense now. Dammit!!!
And don't forget what happens to Fring in BB and when that happens, Kim is free. Free to meet up with Gene in the black and white. If she even wants to anymore
It all really is making sense now. Dammit!!!
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:19 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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She won't die because of what you said about the writers being brilliant. They just got done killing the majority of the original BCS cast Nacho, Howard, and Lalo in a span of 6 episodes, so I don't believe for a second they'll give Kim, their prized favorite character, the same fate. They'll want to do something much more creative
I don't know, I can really see either way. I don't think them killing off people necessarily prevents kim from meeting the same fate. Look at the back stretch of Breaking bad (spoilers to follow, although not sure why anyone would be reading this far into the thread without seeing BB...), the MAIN character in walt dies. Hector, Gus, lydia all die. Hank dies. Lydia dies. Gale was killed although that was a few seasons earlier. Just saying people that we get attached to and even pull for aren't necessarily safe just because others have died too. Gus also knows that she showed up at his door with a gun ready to kill him.
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One new giant piece of the puzzle concerning Kim's fate not to be overlooked is that she has now been introduced to one Gustavo Fring
Sorta, but at a long arm's length. If I remember the episode right she never actuaqlly saw gus she just saw the stand-in/lookalike. She spoke to gus on the phone for a minute. Now granted...she obviously knows where he lives but as of that night she still doesn't know Gus's name or who he is. All she was told was to go to a specific address and kill a black curly haired man with glasses. She's smart so obviously she will research and figure out quickly that pollos hermanos owner gus fring lives in that house, but Gus may not necessarily see her as IN yet. Maybe? We know from BB that Saul is a benefit to gus and saul is in the game, we saw in the last episode that Gus was impressed and a bit surprised that saul was able to talk lalo out something. So he gets to live, but what service or value is kim to gus? If she does not provide a value I can see her being removed form the picture either via death or vacuuming.
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Kim's fate is working for Fring.
If BB didn't exist and we were only getting ot watch BCS, then I might be more inclined to buy into this. But we've seen the future, we know a good bit about Gus, his enterprise, his operations, and his inner circle. Kim is never once mentioned. Of course we aren't shown every single individual that has ever workeed for him, but going back to my original point it would just be kinda cheap and honestly insulting for the writers to be like "oh yeah by the way, during BB kim wexler was acutally working for the cartel the whole time".
Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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we saw in the last episode that Gus was impressed and a bit surprised that saul was able to talk lalo out of something.
I don’t believe that’s correct.
This moment was simply what made Gus first get suspicious that the whole Mrs Goodman assassination attempt was nothing but a decoy and that something else was going on. Gus knows that Lalo doesnt get “talked out of something” like that. And not by a buffoon gringo cockroach like jimmy mcgill. So, he went to the lab to follow his gut instinct.
Which shows why Gus is as much a genius as Lalo because his instinct was right. Jimmy didnt talk Lalo out of anything. Jimmy only annoyed Lalo into sending Kim. And Lalo was happy to switch the roles because, for his purposes, it didn’t matter who went. The whole thing was just a fake decoy diversionary plot to pull security off the lab and send it to Gus and the Goodman’s beehive metrosexual gimp condo, so that Lalo could sneak into the lab and get it on film for don eladio.
Anyways, Im sticking with my theory. In fact, I rewatched the episode last night and am up from 98% sure this is where theyre going to 99.7% sure. In the 6th to last episode to go , Kim Wexlar is brought to the mf’n doorstep of Gus Fring? Are you kidding me? Im sorry but thats the biggest story of the episode underneath all of the other smokescreen, action, and suspense imo
So, the next step in things is we get to watch how Jimmy and Kim take their scamming skills from the minor leagues to the bigs when thay have to deal with the cops and all of the other people in Howard’s orbit once its learned hes gone missing. And you can bet your arse that Gustavo Fring and Mike will be watching how they handle it too since they are implicated.
We already know that Mike had been observing the whole howie scam and thinks Kim “is made of sterner stuff” than jimmy boy. Enough to warn her and not jimmy about Lalo surviving. But there was also a very interesting scene on that front at the end of the last episode that i think reveals a lot about a split thats coming between kim n jim. Mike lays down the rules about how they are gonna need to be meryl streep and burt reynolds the next few days when it comes out howard was at their apartment the night he went missing. Then mike says he needs them to repeat that it never happened. Jimmy like a nervous 10 year old says “we understand “. Kim like a cold blooded gangster says what mike actually wanted to hear,…..she says “It never happened “.
Boom. I think Fring will see a star chess piece in the making in Kim. Just like Howard did. And just like the other law firm (Schwikart?) .that made her a partner did. And just like how the execs of Mesa Verde did. She is a superstar. Could have chosen to be anything she wanted to be in life. But now her ability to choose is gone. Gus owns her. She will be whatever he wants her to be.
Sorry to spoil the ending plot for everyone.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:45 pm to Jefferson Dawg
THis is good shite.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:15 pm to deeprig9
I think everyone thinks Kim makes it out alive and could be the case. Still the show has a way of making twists and turns. It seems the writers setup Kim for some bad stuff to come however. Either prison or disappearer. Or maybe neither. Maybe she just stays in ABQ; leaves Saul; and leaves a boring life as a pro-bono lawyer.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:23 am to agentoranj1990
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I think everyone thinks Kim makes it out alive
idk...the vibe I get from reading about the show the abase almost seems split 50/50 down the middle on if they think kim will die or will reappear with gene somewhere.
at any rate I'm pumped to find out.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:15 am to WG_Dawg
To be true to the main character, Jimmy/Saul, I don't see how Kim ends up getting caught up in his mess and killed, and then for Saul to just keep doing what he does throughout BB. If they just explain it away as greed, then that's really lazy writing. I don't think they kill her.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 11:36 am to deeprig9
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To be true to the main character, Jimmy/Saul, I don't see how Kim ends up getting caught up in his mess and killed, and then for Saul to just keep doing what he does throughout BB.
the flip side of that is that kim's death could be the final nudge to erase jimmy mcgill permanently as the transition to saul is complete. Now there's still a jimmy that simply wears a saul mask. In the first flash forward scnee of this season we can see saul's house as it's being raided, which we ASSUME is after he's vacuumed at the end of BB timeline. Lavish, opulent, gold plated toilet. Overabundant everythign. That's not the home of jimmy mcgill, or a place where kim wexler would have any say or hand in wahtseover. That house is 100% saul goodman.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:44 pm to Jefferson Dawg
How does Kim know Mike Ermentrout’s full name?
Get some.
Get some.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:56 am to Jefferson Dawg
probably because Saul knows it and has mentioned it before.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:57 am to diddlydawg7
This episode surprised me. Going into this half-season i thought we might get one maybe two episodes BB era of later.
Looks like we are getting 4. Maybe two with Saul and two with Gene.
Looks like we are getting 4. Maybe two with Saul and two with Gene.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:44 am to diddlydawg7
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probably because Saul knows it and has mentioned it before.
Except that when she met Mike for the first time ever this season at the El Camino diner where she goes to disgustingly hork down giant plates food, Mike never told her his name. And Kim only vaguely remembered Mike as the parking lot attendant. And she never told Jimmy boy about meeting him. Until now.
Honestly I don’t even know what I think of this latest episode. The main thing I’m feeling is if this is really the goofy non melter way Kim goes out, then I really wish she never existed on the show. I just don’t believe her character one bit and maybe without her we could have gotten to Saul several seasons ago instead of with only 4 episodes remaining. Also, I had almost forgot that Gus burgles terds. That wine scene was worse than picknicking at HHM. Just so out of place and forced. What a smarmy self absorbed pretentious couple of assholes.
I don’t know. This kind of feels like a disaster.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:56 am to Jefferson Dawg
What about the whole deal from earlier in the season where the head superintendant of lawyers lady pulled Kim into her office because she was suspicious that Jimmy knew who Lalo who really was when he represented him at bail hearing? What about the pro bono project meeting that guitar lawyer set up for Kim? The one that she didn't show up at because she had to go film a dork scam with some college kids? Did guitar lawyer just assume she had diareah and couldn't make it and never brought it up again after Kim quit being a lawyer overnight? Can you actually even go to the board of lawyers and quit and tell them you don't want to be a lawyer anymore? That seems asinine. This episode is asinine. Are they really leaving all these unaswered questions behind and instead throwing out awkward 10 minute unnecessary cringe scenes of Gus out on the town trying to get some dick? I feel like we're being sold a vacuum cleaner here.
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