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re: Looking back on the first game of the Kirby era (2016 UNC)
Posted on 2/10/22 at 6:20 am to AlaCowboy
Posted on 2/10/22 at 6:20 am to AlaCowboy
Agreed. My point about AM11 has always come to the fact that Murray wasn't always Aaron Murray Georgia Bulldogs Legend. All of 2010 and part of 2011 he was Aaron Murray Mobile Heart Attack Generator.
Kid made some bone headed decisions that made Saturdays in the fall a chore sometimes.
Obviously he got it all ironed out, but 2010 was bleak.
Kid made some bone headed decisions that made Saturdays in the fall a chore sometimes.
Obviously he got it all ironed out, but 2010 was bleak.
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Posted on 2/10/22 at 6:34 am to VoxDawg
frick Aaron Murray. One of the most overrated players in UGA history.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:01 am to Kneehigh
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One of the most overrated players in UGA history.
His owning a whole mess of passing records might disagree with you.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:02 am to VoxDawg
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Agreed my point about AM11 has always come to the fact that Murray wasn't always Aaron Murray Georgia Bulldogs Legend. All of 2010 and part of 2011 he was Aaron Murray Mobile Heart Attack Generator
Here we go again
Did ya happen to watch Matt Stafford his Freshman and most of his Sophomore years?.
Murray 2010:3000+ 24 TD's 8 Ints
Stafford 2006:1700+ 7 TD's 13 Ints
No idea why so many have revisionist history on Murray.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:06 am to RD Dawg
FWIW, I'm not shitting on Murray. Kid doesn't hold most of the UGA QB records for inconsistent play. I'm saying his decision-making in 2010 was unnerving to watch at times.
At the end of the day, it's hard to argue with results.
At the end of the day, it's hard to argue with results.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:14 am to djsdawg
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Some of y’all have forgotten just how bad that 2016 team was.
Quite the opposite, some of you have forgotten how bad some of our pre-kirby teams were. Donnan's first team was awful and had extremely little talent. Richt in 2010 had a losing record including to UCF before they were trendy. 2016 was not even close to the worst team we've had since goff.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:15 am to Kneehigh
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frick Aaron Murray. One of the most overrated players in UGA history.
he is very likely the best QB we've ever had
Posted on 2/10/22 at 9:00 am to WG_Dawg
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Donnan's first team was awful and had extremely little talent.
Its a bit silly to split hairs between 1995 and 1996. Both sucked, and 1996 and was a mulligan season for Donnan due to how bad Ray Goff left the roster.
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Richt in 2010 had a losing record including to UCF before they were trendy.
Team was better than the record indicated. Dig deeper into them. Hell, that 2010 team was better than 2009 team despite the record.
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2016 was not even close to the worst team we've had since goff.
2016 was a mulligan season due to how bad Richt left the roster, but you really must have forgotten about all of this:
- Loss to a bad vandy team
- Nichols State game was as bad as a game can get
- or is it? I mean down 45-0 to Ole Miss? Holy shite.
- easily defeated by a weak UF team
- lost to Tech
- needed a 4th down miracle to beat Mizzou
- needed a last second FG to beat UK
- slid by a weak AU
- only beat Lafayette by 14
Posted on 2/10/22 at 9:14 am to djsdawg
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Its a bit silly to split hairs between 1995 and 1996
the topic was "since the goff era" which means any years for debate wouldn't begin til 96
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1996 and was a mulligan season for Donnan
We're comparing 2 teams, intangible or unquantifiable metrics like mulligans don't really factor in
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2016 was a mulligan season
at least you're consistent I guess
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you really must have forgotten about all of this:
- Loss to a bad vandy team
- Nichols State game was as bad as a game can get
- or is it? I mean down 45-0 to Ole Miss? Holy shite.
- easily defeated by a weak UF team
- lost to Tech
- needed a 4th down miracle to beat Mizzou
- needed a last second FG to beat UK
- slid by a weak AU
- only beat Lafayette by 14
I could rattle off the lowlights of the '96 season too but what's the point? 96 had very little talent compared to 2016 and barely even looked competitive in most games all season. That is the worst team we've had in a long, long time. And certainly worse than 2016
Posted on 2/10/22 at 9:45 am to WG_Dawg
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I could rattle off the lowlights of the '96 season too but what's the point? 96 had very little talent compared to 2016 and barely even looked competitive in most games all season. That is the worst team we've had in a long, long time. And certainly worse than 2016
I don't really care which team is worse between 1995 or 1996. Thats way too far in the past to argue about.
The point was about how bad our 2016 team was, which was our worst team in the last 25 seasons (97-21).
Posted on 2/10/22 at 10:23 am to djsdawg
I havent followed the thread closely, but 2010 was pretty bad.
Bad running game.
Freshman qb without any real support.
Defense gave up 22/game and struggled against the run.
Auburn ran for 300.
Tech ran for 400.
Hell... colorado ran foe 235.
No one drafted in 2011 from the defense.
Only 1 player drafted earlier than the 4th round.
Bad running game.
Freshman qb without any real support.
Defense gave up 22/game and struggled against the run.
Auburn ran for 300.
Tech ran for 400.
Hell... colorado ran foe 235.
No one drafted in 2011 from the defense.
Only 1 player drafted earlier than the 4th round.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 10:41 am to meansonny
2010 didn’t have to be good to be better than 2016.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 10:41 am to djsdawg
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The point was about how bad our 2016 team was, which was our worst team in the last 25 seasons (97-21).
2009 and 2010 are inarguably 2 of our worst teams of recent vintage.
2009 saw us get pants'd by Okie State, decimated by Lane Kiffin up in Knoxville, blown to shreds by Florida, and broken by a home loss to Kentucky. The only redeeming part of the '09 season was us beating #7 Tech in Atlanta while we were unranked.
2010 saw how shitty '09 was and simply said, "Ok, now watch this drive" and proceeded to piss down their legs like we have never seen a UGA team do. Losing to SCAR, Arky, Miss State, Colorado, and UCF in the same season is a tough stain to wash out. Not to mention another L vs. Florida and the whole Cam Newton/Nick Fairley storyline.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 10:50 am to djsdawg
2016
-8 wins
-3 best wins were over teams that finished with 8, 8, and 7 wins. 2 of those teams had a high ranking on the year of 15 and 9.
-Played in and won the liberty bowl over gary patterson and TCU
-1st year program with 1st year head coach
2010
-6 wins, losing record
-3 best wins were over teams that finished with 6, 6, and 6 wins. You read that correctly; didn't beat a single team with a winning record
-played in and lost the liberty bowl to central florida
-Year 10 of coaching staff regime
There really isn't a comparison. 2010 was much worse.
-8 wins
-3 best wins were over teams that finished with 8, 8, and 7 wins. 2 of those teams had a high ranking on the year of 15 and 9.
-Played in and won the liberty bowl over gary patterson and TCU
-1st year program with 1st year head coach
2010
-6 wins, losing record
-3 best wins were over teams that finished with 6, 6, and 6 wins. You read that correctly; didn't beat a single team with a winning record
-played in and lost the liberty bowl to central florida
-Year 10 of coaching staff regime
There really isn't a comparison. 2010 was much worse.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 11:23 am to WG_Dawg
When I said dig a bit deeper, I meant with stats. The old adage of "you are what your record says you are" can be FOS.
Net points per game:
2010: 10
2009: 3
2016: 0.5
Net Yards per game:
16: 57.2
10: 56.5
09: 22.8
Net Yards per play:
10: 0.99
09: 0.86
16: 0.18
FEI:
10: 0.48 (26th in nation)
09: 0.36 (28th)
16: 0.17 (50th)
According to a more in depth statistical comparison, it really isn't a comparison in favor of 2016 being the worst team of the past 25 years.
Net points per game:
2010: 10
2009: 3
2016: 0.5
Net Yards per game:
16: 57.2
10: 56.5
09: 22.8
Net Yards per play:
10: 0.99
09: 0.86
16: 0.18
FEI:
10: 0.48 (26th in nation)
09: 0.36 (28th)
16: 0.17 (50th)
According to a more in depth statistical comparison, it really isn't a comparison in favor of 2016 being the worst team of the past 25 years.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 1:02 pm to djsdawg
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According to a more in depth statistical comparison, it really isn't a comparison in favor of 2016 being the worst team of the past 25 years.
Are those stats adjusted for competition?
Losses 2010:
9-5 Scar
10-3 Arkie
9-4 Ole Miss
5-7 Colorado
8-5 Florida
14-0 Auburn
11-3 UCF
Losses 2016
5-7 Ole Miss
9-4 Tenn
6-7 Vandy
9-4 Florida
9-4 GT
Wins 2010
3-9 La Lafayette
6-7 Tenn
2-10 Vandy
6-7 Kentucky
Fcs Idaho St
6-7 GT
Wins 2016
8-5 UNC
4-8 Mizz
6-7 Scar
7-6 Kentucky
8-5 Auburn
6-7 La Lafayette
6-7 TCU
I also think it is fair to say that the 2016 team saw signfificant improvement over the course of the year.
The team that beat Auburn and TCU is not the same team that struggled with Nichols and lost to Ole Miss in 2016.
The 2010 team had 2 great games against 6-7 Tennessee and 2-10 Vandy sandwiched in between a whole lot of mediocrity and a progressively worsening defense.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 3:01 pm to meansonny
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Are those stats adjusted for competition?
FEI is and that shows a huge difference in favor of 2016 being the worst.
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also think it is fair to say that the 2016 team saw signfificant improvement over the course of the year. The team that beat Auburn and TCU is not the same team that struggled with Nichols and lost to Ole Miss in 2016.
If becoming an average at best team was significant for improvement, then that only proved just how awful it was before then.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 3:14 pm to Kneehigh
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frick Aaron Murray. One of the most overrated players in UGA history.
You probably boo college players, don't ya?
Posted on 2/10/22 at 4:27 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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frick Aaron Murray. One of the most overrated players in UGA history.
You probably boo college players, don't ya?
He probably TPd and egged Murray's house.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 4:36 pm to djsdawg
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also think it is fair to say that the 2016 team saw signfificant improvement over the course of the year. The team that beat Auburn and TCU is not the same team that struggled with Nichols and lost to Ole Miss in 2016.
If becoming an average at best team was significant for improvement, then that only proved just how awful it was before then
Im using your own metric.
Point differential.
First 4 games in 2016 = -4.75
Second set of 4 in 2016 = -1.00
Third set of 4 in 2016 = 5.50
Bowl game = 8.00
I assume that is an approved measure since it is your own (breaking the season into thirds).
And of course it was awful. They had an awful senior class and had to coach up an entire team on a new defense and offensive scheme.
You seem shocked that Y1 for a coach would start rough and steadily improve over the season.
2010 was year 10 for Richt?
Year 1 for Grantham. We averaged about 19 ppg allowed for the first 8 games and ballooned that to 31 ppg for the last 4 games of the regular season.
Kirby's 2016 defense gave up 30ppg for the firsf 4 games and averaged roughly 22 ppg for the remainder of the year.
If im judging good bad and ugly, im giving ugly to the team that got worse. The season ending is mercy for that team.
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