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H Back Dive Triple Option Stuff
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:08 pm
Use this illustration as a starting point.
Christopher, please explain all the A back, B back stuff to me.
According to wikipedia, this is the "Veer" triple option that PJ uses, but that's just what wiki says.
Educate me.
Christopher, please explain all the A back, B back stuff to me.
According to wikipedia, this is the "Veer" triple option that PJ uses, but that's just what wiki says.
Educate me.
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Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:20 pm to deeprig9
That formation is decades more advanced than the flexbone they run
ETA: except the OMG PISTOL
ETA: except the OMG PISTOL
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:32 pm to deeprig9
For MLB's if you are lined up on the strong side you are reading the guard and he will take you directly to the ball like 90% of the time. The weakside MLB is reads the fullback (bback) unless there is motion from the strong side, which then flips the responsabilities of the MLB's.
That's all I got...
That's all I got...
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:36 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
With Vad, it seems like you could just put two corners in Man vs the receivers, play 1 safety, and totally stack the line and treat it like a goal line defense and completely neutralize the little bastards.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:39 pm to deeprig9
How will the chop blocks be handled by the refs this year? It seems to me that Richt will have a chat with the ump before the game and point out all the injuries they've had this year, wants a good clean game and everyone to play safe.... then we'll get an obligatory targetting call to make Richt's chat ironic, then the refs will actually start calling chop blocks and get Tech in some 3rd and Longs.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:52 pm to deeprig9
ACC refs, I assume?
That play in the OP looks like up + B in Tecmo Bowl.
That play in the OP looks like up + B in Tecmo Bowl.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:53 pm to VoxDawg
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That play in the OP looks like up + B in Tecmo Bowl.
That's the one I guessed..... or is it??????
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:55 pm to deeprig9
My biggest concern is with us playing assignment football, specifically with the DE's. They have to come out disciplined, following their reads and keys and not just chasing the ball around. The first step to doing this is for the DE's to display gap integrity throughout the entire game. If they fail to maintain their rush lanes or don't hit the pitch man every time Vad is talented enough to make Saturday a very long day.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:00 pm to deeprig9
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put two corners in Man vs the receivers
Please, I beg you, do this all game.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:01 pm to VoxDawg
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ACC refs, I assume?
You don't know much about this game, do you?
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:02 pm to deeprig9
Inside veer leaves the first man head up to outside the tackle unblocked. It also leaves the second threat nearest to the first unblocked (DE) that is outside or stacked on him (OLB) unblocked. In other words, we don't blocked the DE or OLB.
The tackle "veers" inside to the Mike backer. The guard blocks any down lineman on his side of the center other than the read key (in other words, DT). The center's rule is basically backside A gap with some exceptions (3-4, he would double with guard on the nose, then the guard would peel off and block backside ILB)... etc. etc.
We then bring the backside slot on a pitch route, giving us a 3 on 2 on the edge. Our QB, BB, and Aback versus the DE and OLB. The slot either blocks the safety (Cover 2 Sky, Cov. 3, Cov. 4, or Man) or the corner (Cover 2 Cloud i.e. Tampa 2). The receiver blocks the other.
In other words, to keep the numbers equal, the backside LB or Backside Safety has to make the play on the playside. However, in order to do that, defenses really ask for a counter option, counter trap, or just a counter motion.
The tackle "veers" inside to the Mike backer. The guard blocks any down lineman on his side of the center other than the read key (in other words, DT). The center's rule is basically backside A gap with some exceptions (3-4, he would double with guard on the nose, then the guard would peel off and block backside ILB)... etc. etc.
We then bring the backside slot on a pitch route, giving us a 3 on 2 on the edge. Our QB, BB, and Aback versus the DE and OLB. The slot either blocks the safety (Cover 2 Sky, Cov. 3, Cov. 4, or Man) or the corner (Cover 2 Cloud i.e. Tampa 2). The receiver blocks the other.
In other words, to keep the numbers equal, the backside LB or Backside Safety has to make the play on the playside. However, in order to do that, defenses really ask for a counter option, counter trap, or just a counter motion.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:02 pm to Cherokee Chinstrap
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If they fail to maintain their rush lanes or don't hit the pitch man every time
Not possible.... that's what makes the 3-option dangerous. I think this might fall more on Floyd and Jenkins than Smith and Drew. This may be a situation where you get Mayes in there with is 6 foot arms and Urukai strength to display gap integrity.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:13 pm to deeprig9
Gap integrity is very important, but the offense will run a play depending on how we line up. We have to stop them with speed and Herrera will have to maintain the middle alone. Against the 3op, we will have to play much more Nickel and unbalanced line. This will give us the edge on the LOS and speed outside. The key to this game is the Safeties. JHC will have to play more LB than safety. Here is a copy of CPJ's playbook at Southern if you are interested in understanding the basics of CBJ's offense today. They have a banged up O-Line this year and this could play into our favor as well.
CPJ's Offense
CPJ's Offense
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:34 pm to Padawgjr
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The Hokie outside linebackers tend to ignore the influence block of the wingback, and in most alignments, the playside AND backside defensive tackle, the playside outside linebacker, and the mike linebacker all jam up the middle to take away the inside dive.
This is what I think Grantham will NOT do for various reasons
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:36 pm to Chris_topher
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Make the quarterback beat you.
Not always, but most of the time, the unblocked Hokie defender will take the pitch man, as will the cornerback to the playside. The safeties play a two-deep zone and are not supposed to come up in run support until the quarterback has crossed the line of scrimmage. They have quarterback responsibility along with the late pursuit from the interior of the defense. This means the quarterback will get 3-7 yards more often than not when he keeps (Tevin Washington was well over 100 yards last season until he started getting sacked). So, why would Foster knowingly let the quarterback chew up yardage?
The quarterback keep has the least likelihood of breaking for a big play.
Good tackling wears the quarterback out, both with pain and mental fatigue.
The QB develops a "memory" in game and starts anticipating a read rather than making a read. Foster will switch assignments in crucial spots, which forces the QB to either make the wrong read or the defender can crush him and cause a turnover.
This is why platooning JT & Vad becomes important imo
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:50 pm to Chris_topher
Very much so. We will have to use more 5-6 DB's. Probably play a 2 star type system with Swann and JJC to attack RB and QB. We will want to force the ball to the first read and take away 2 and 3. That's where our guys break down. The first read is usually what they stick with in Grantham's scheme and he will have to simplify his Defense by forcing Vlad to hand the ball off the first time. This will give Herrera and Wilson a crap ton of tackles. Our D-Line has to play unbalanced an use 1 and 2 gaps to force the handoff. I find y'all's Defense much more complicated to beat than your offense this year and that is my fear going into this one. You guys are much better defensively than last year. This will be a low scoring game.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:57 pm to Padawgjr
I can't help but wonder if we took Bauta specifically as scout team qb to prep vs spread option teams.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:09 pm to Rules
There can be different arrangements for officiating, a large bowl games or MNC. For all I knew, both schools agreed to opposite conference refs of the home team.
The only significant stat that comes to mind at the moment is 11-1.
The only significant stat that comes to mind at the moment is 11-1.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:20 pm to Padawgjr
Forcing the ball to the first read and attacking 2 & 3 is the best scenario for GT, imo.. there is no room to breath without the middle. I wonder how often Grantham plans to counter what CPJ is doing by mixing it up / or by using the never do the same thing twice gameplan.. I actually think Bud Foster took the time to know GT's counters and set his D in accordance and was prepared the very next play and always a step ahead.. if I wanted to stop GT the old fashioned way, I'd start by blowing up the middle & having a man blitzing playside to disrupt any action that is happening there.. hold the middle and stretch the outside.. The key is to have a player who doesn't give a fck .. all the assignment football trash is accounted for w/ CPJ and predictable
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