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re: Georgia will adjust to new rule allowing required summer training, film study

Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:22 am to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:22 am to
Have professor's and other admin's salaries increased at the same level as those in the football dept?
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:26 am to
I don't know.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:44 am to
if you had to make an educated guess.what would you say?
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:48 am to
The SEC saw the highest escalation in football coaching salaries (though it was outpaced in instructional salaries by seven other conferences) through the “Great Recession.” In that conference – home to about a quarter of the nation’s 23 athletic programs where revenues actually outpace expenses – instructional salaries rose 15.5 percent between 2006 and 2011, from $70,886 to $81,758. At the same time, football coaching salaries increased 128.9 percent, from $3,147,149 to $6,928,989. That escalation was smallest in the WAC, where football salaries rose 46.4 percent, from $1,370,332 to $1,819,845, and instructional paychecks rose 15.2 percent (a faster increase than several other conferences), from $65,038 to $76,533.

Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:55 am to
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This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 11:09 am
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:05 am to
Deep, you know how I work. Lets see where this takes us....
Posted by silverdawg
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:31 pm to
In 1980 cokes were 25 cents, 8-tracks were the hot music fad and nobody ever thought high test leaded gasoline would ever get over $1.00 a gallon and if it had we would have dialed the congress on the rotary phone and protested it.

Disco officially died in 1980 as well.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:00 pm to
the above may well be true, but it does not explain why D1 College football coaches salaries have increased so significantly above their "peers" at their schools and in line with standard inflation.

Why have colleges, either directly or via their sham Athletic Associations, poured so much money into football coaches, staff, and facilities?
Posted by mondegreen
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:34 pm to
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They are the entertainment in a billion$ industry. Why only minimum wage?


Well, maybe we should clarify: would you propose to pay all D1 athletes, or just the sports that are in the black each year? After all, equestrian and golf practice sessions are considered mandatory, right?

Anyways, most student employees are paid right around minimum wage. Or are we going to say that athletes aren't students at all (thus classifying them as a different staff level)? What do you think would be a reasonable amount?

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the top coaches in the 1980s made $250k and assistants made $40 to $60k with $100k being significant. Now, top coaches make over $4M and assistants make over $1m.


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So, Mondo, why would Richt and his overall staff expenditures see such significant increases over the same period that other UGA employees did not see any increase?


Colleges pay coaches top dollar because they can. Debating lower pay for college coaches is a different than trying to classify student athletes as employees for the purpose of paying them.

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Anyway. What about tuition? How much did tuition at UGA in 1980 cost a student compared to today? And what was his debt upon graduation compared to today? Also, was a graduate more likely to get a job using his UGA degree in 1980 than he is today? And how do the salaries of those jobs compare?

I was only a few months old back in 2007 when everyone was flipping houses and doubling-down on their mortgages and saying that real estate prices would never stop climbing. That your house would always increase in value every year...........and banks would give workers earning $25K/year a loan to buy a McMansion beyond their means right up until the days before the financial Collapse........

I'm sure though that nothing like that could ever happen in higher education though right?

It's not like the national debt has gone from an obscene 200 billion in 1980 to a deadly unpayable 17 TRILLION dollars today. Everything is fine. What could ever possibly go wrong? Surely, our best days are ahead of us at this rate? Right.


All good questions, and excellent point about the nat'l debt.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:08 pm to
i am not debating why college coaches should be paid less, I am asking why they are worth what they are worth?

do you want to take a stab at that?
Posted by mondegreen
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:36 pm to
I get it - you think because enormous economic activity has sprung up around college football, we should formally change the relationship between the schools and the players.

There's a boatload of money involved, and the players "deserve" a portion of it, right?

Would you like to "take a stab" at any of the questions I posed for you?
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:43 pm to
The relationships have already changed. The institutionalization of fake degrees with egregiously sub standard "students" being directed by adults they are lead to trust whose pay is direectly related to a fake graduation and and success on the football field. The biggest change has been the increase in $ at stake to make sure kids who do not belong in college find a way to "graduate" from college.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:50 pm to
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Anyways, most student employees are paid right around minimum wage. Or are we going to say that athletes aren't students at all (thus classifying them as a different staff level)? What do you think would be a reasonable amount?


Football players are not allowed to have jobs during the school year and the only time they can get a job is during the summer....which now is gone or at least significantly limited due to mandatory work outs.

In any case, no amount is reasonable and that is the point which I am pretty sure you are not seeing...
Posted by Chris_topher
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:56 pm to
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The relationships have already changed. The institutionalization of fake degrees with egregiously sub standard "students" being directed by adults they are lead to trust whose pay is direectly related to a fake graduation and and success on the football field. The biggest change has been the increase in $ at stake to make sure kids who do not belong in college find a way to "graduate" from college.

"Football is one of our great American games. It is the duty and responsibility of each of us to see that it is kept in its proper perspective, and that it is protected. We should see that it is used to attain the objectives that mean so much to our way of life.

We feel that the spectator can be most influential and instrumental in helping to achieve these objectives, if he will develop the right attitudes. May we suggest a few?

First, and foremost among these attitudes that must be developed, is the realization that in football there must be a winner and a loser (excepting the occasional tie). The fan who recognizes this principle gets a great deal more enjoyment from the game than one who becomes irritated, aggravated, and rambunctious when "his" team loses. We would never minimize the importance of winning, but it is very unfair to the coach, the player, and the school when the fan forgets it is impossible to "repudiate the law of mathematics"--i.e., there must be a winner and a loser.

It is important that each of us develop the art of appreciating great plays made by the opposition. We should always give our opponents credit, rather than criticize our team when the opposition makes a great play. We believe perfection in the execution of a great play in football is to be admired and appreciated, just as we appreciate and admire the work of a great artist in any field.

The spectator should remember the football players are just human beings. They perform at times under great pressure, and they, as all other earthly inhabitants, are likely to make mistakes. It behooves all of us to remember, "To err is human, to forgive, divine."

Finally, we should always keep uppermost in mind that football, with all its glamour, glitter, thrills and chills, plus everything that makes it great, has one thing more important than all of these combined--that is, the boy who plays it."

Robert L. "Bobby" Dodd
Head Coach and Athletic Director
Georgia Institute of Technology
1954
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:00 pm to
Bobby Dodd made $12k a year
Posted by mondegreen
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:21 pm to
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The relationships have already changed. The institutionalization of fake degrees with egregiously sub standard "students" being directed by adults they are lead to trust whose pay is direectly related to a fake graduation and and success on the football field. The biggest change has been the increase in $ at stake to make sure kids who do not belong in college find a way to "graduate" from college.


I can get down with that. So, what's your solution?

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In any case, no amount is reasonable and that is the point which I am pretty sure you are not seeing...


I don't think paying college players is reasonable. I think the arrangement to attend school free of charge with room, board, and access to world-class training and academic services is a pretty sweet arrangement for student athletes in all sports.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted by mondegreen
Member since Sep 2012
269 posts
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:25 pm to
I saw Dooley's first UGA contract the other day. It fit on one side of a single sheet of paper with huge margins. I want to say it was around that same amount. Maybe a little less.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 6:04 am to
Please tell me more about these academic services.
Posted by mondegreen
Member since Sep 2012
269 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 4:43 pm to
Access to courses, programs, and faculty that make UGA a great academic institution. I understand that many athletes choose not to take advantage of these things, but many do choose to take advantage of them. There have been football players from UGA who have gone on to rigorous professions (i.e. medicine) after their UGA undergrad experience.

And remember, I'm thinking of athletics as a whole - not just football.

I'm still looking forward to hearing your solution. I have a few serious ideas of my own, but I don't think they are feasible because they don't help the money-making machine.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 4/21/14 at 6:34 pm to
I see, so tell me why some athletes do not take advantage of a major in say Business or Biology?
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