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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:39 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:39 pm to
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It’s hard to stop a qb who can run. No shite. Burrow showed us today
It's easy to stop a running QB when said QB also can't consisntely move the ball through the air. Our receivers haven't allowed us to have a consistent passing game, which has limited our running game, which has further limited our passing game.

We haven't had that the past few years. We haven't needed Fromm to run the ball in order to gain yards. We've had a balanced offense with good WRs and good RBs that have allowed us disguise what we're going to do. This season we've been mostly one-dimensional which has hampered our ability to move the ball overall.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:40 pm to
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ore ignorance. It depends on the situation. Sometimes its the receivers not going to the ball and sometimes its the QBs just not throwing the ball where it needs to be.


The situation is open wr, where the wr should be, good blocking, and Fromm misses. This has been our main problem since Florida game,’and you can’t admit it. So damn clueless you are.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:41 pm to
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I can and did.


Yeah, after you Googled it.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:43 pm to
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It basically comes down to this: Can Fromm carry you to a national title? If you think so, then play him. If you don't think so (hint: he can't) then replace him with someone who can.
While the future is unknowable, Fromm helped deliver enough on offense to get us a national title in 2017. We lost in OT due to a great play by Alabama and bad defensive effort on our part.

Fromm played well enough to beat Bama again in the SECCG. Our defense again let us down and our offense assisted by getting conservative. Fromm isn't the reason why we lost the national championship game in 2017 nor the reason we lost the SECCG last season and Fields wouldn't have done much better for last season. We put him in the game in a critical moment and it helped us lose the SECCG last season. You can blame coaching on that one if you like but that same coaching would have been responsible for his success as QB. You can't divorce the two.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:44 pm to
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Look between the South Carolina game, this game, and the majority of the season, I think anyone with any type of football knowledge would say that Fromm has regressed MAJORLY this season.

Idk what the answer is, we can harp on about fields all day, it doesn’t help.

But honestly if I was Kirby I would be looking into getting a qb from the transfer portal and telling Fromm that the QB position will be open come spring.
I appreciate the SEC championship. I appreciate him helping us get to the playoffs.

But I am sick and tired of watching teams stack the damn box, play man coverage, and beat us bc we do not have a quarterback that can consistently hit players.


Yeah it’s not all on him, but he shoulders the MAJORITY of the blame for his piss poor play this year.
While I understand why people would say such things, the truth is that Fromm is only as good as those around him. A complete turnover in our WR group is, IMO, the most to blame for the issues we've had on offense this season.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:50 pm to
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It's easy to stop a running QB when said QB also can't consisntely move the ball through the air.


Agree. Accuracy matters.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:50 pm to
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Yeah, after you Googled it.

"People know more than me and it hurts my fragile ego..."
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:51 pm to
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truth is that Fromm is only as good as those around him.


Classic game manager.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:55 pm to
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A complete turnover in our WR group is, IMO, the most to blame for the issues we've had on offense this season.



It's up to the third year starting QB to elevate their play. Fromm doesn't do that. He is what he is.
Posted by runningdog
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:02 pm to
Let’s just say you are correct. GA has two 5* and a high 4* receivers. Are you saying none of them can run a basic route tree or shed tight man? Are you saying Pittman can’t coach the O linemen he recruited? Are you saying he recruits off of stars and not ability? Are you saying GA played conservative ball because it had only one functional QB?

Say what you want, Kirby and staff botched the Fields situation. Just as Richt botched the Shockley situation. I like Fromm. I liked Greene. Neither had the upside of Fields or Shockley.

I love Kirby as a coach, but he is at a crossroads. I wish I knew the game well enough to opine who should be the OC, but I do not. I do know this, you don’t recruit the #1 QB to sit him. You build an offense around his skill set. Particularly when said QB is a recruiting pied piper for elite talent.
Posted by Bulldawg2010
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:23 pm to
I have seen Fromm, ever since his freshman year, struggle to accurately throw the ball past 20 yards.

Over throws, under throws, you name it.

We all assumed that as his accuracy would get better as the years went on, it hasn’t.

Yes, our receiving core is bad this year. But from under threw a touchdown, and over threw a wide open corner route.

That’s on him. Not the coaches, not the WR, HIM.

He has not had a good year this year, it is okay to admit that. There is a reason that teams all year have stacked the box and played press man.

They do not respect our WRs, and they do not respect our Quarterback. Running the ball, and throwing comeback routes will only get you so far. You HAVE to have a quarterback that can punish teams with the deep ball, and we do not have that quarterback
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:42 pm to
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up to the third year starting QB to elevate their play. Fromm doesn't do that. He is what he is.




Game

Manager
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:41 am to
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Helen Keller would be effective under those circumstances.
Not true. Many a QB have squandered good weapons around them with their bad decision making.

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And even then, Fromm had time to throw tonight
At times, yes, and yet for most of the game (and frankly most of the season), he didn't have enough time for the receivers to get open, and those that did get open did so after he had gone through his progressions.

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Robertson got wide open for a TD on the third play of the game, and Fromm noodle armed it.
True. That was on Fromm, but the first play of the game was a great throw downfield that went in and out of the hands of our most experienced receiver on the field. That's been the case all season.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 12:41 am to
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frick you FrommSuckerFoo.
You sound like an intelligent person. Please provide more of your well-reasoned rebuttals.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:02 am to
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You tried to do so and failed.
Failed? I actually did it. There wasn't anything to fail at. I provided the context, which is more than you ever do.

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Go back to Sc, and Mizzou, and vols and point out his meaningful series at qb. You can’t. They didn’t happen. Dabo didn’t screw up like that. He gave Trevor chances early in games
Fields got few series, true, but you don't have to have an entire series to get meaningful playing time, experience, and opportunities to show your stuff. The Mailman was only in for a play tonight when Fromm was injured and he missed his throw. That's the most opportunity he had this season outside of mop up duty. Fields had tons of PT, especially compared to the traditional backup QB. The competition usually stays on the practice field and not in the games when the outcome still isn't decided, yet he still had his opportunities.

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Dabo didn’t screw up like that. He gave Trevor chances early in games.
Again, Dabo had a completely different situation on his hands. He didn't play TL because he wanted to keep him on the team. He played him because he honestly thought he might be the best option at QB and had a true competition on the field to play it out. As it stood, He was the better QB and was consistently better than Bryant in the first 4-5 games of the season.

And you know what happened? Bryant quit on the team immediately after losing the starting job. TL got injured and Bryant wasn't there to help out, which hurt the team and could have spoiled their season.

CKS didn't screw up, either. Screwing up would have been benching a proven starter who wasn't struggling to move the ball in favor of a potentially more athletic QB who might be the better option the next season. It was actually suggested that CKS should have made Fields the starter after the LSU game, as if the season was shot and we should have started our investment into the future QB. It's such an idiotic suggestion that, especially given how Fromm performed the rest of the season, that I'm surprised it was a serious comment, yet there it is. You guys are completely unhinged with your irrationality on this topic.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:37 am to
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So was Bryant. Dabo made a good move. Kirby didn’t . He should have given fields a real Chance to win the job
TL was biting at Bryant's heels since the moment he stepped foot on campus. He was playing lights out in the spring, summer drills, and preseason. He was a phenom that gave serious pause to Dabo.

CKS commented that Fields did not beat out Fromm in the preseason, even with the public show about not naming Fromm the starter before the season began. It's obvious looking back that everything that happened with Fields was to try to appease him so he'd stick around even though he wasn't ready to dethrone Fromm.

"Our kids, they know. They're out there every day. There's no doubt in the offensive line's mind who the quarterback is, because he's in the huddle with them for 70, 80% of the reps.... Jake Fromm was never not going with the [first-teamers] when it mattered. The doubt may have been in his head. But in the coaches’ heads, he wasn’t beat out at any point in time." - Coach Smart
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:42 am to
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Games are 60, so 35 doesn’t cut it
You're right, which is why we shouldn't have taken our foot off the gas on offense. But even so, Fromm was still playing well overall, hitting some critical passes in the 3rd and 4th quarters before drives being ended by great plays by Bama's defense. It's not like Fromm just started sucking after his 3rd quarter TD throw.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:45 am to
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The situation is open wr, where the wr should be, good blocking, and Fromm misses. This has been our main problem since Florida game,’and you can’t admit it. So damn clueless you are.
Main problem? LOL, no. It's been a problem with a handful of throws over the course of the season but our offensive struggles have been much greater than that.

When we're going three and out so many times on runs for little gains and short to intermediate passes that aren't caught or caught before the 1st down marker, we feel those missed throws more than if we were moving the ball with regularly and pointing more points on the board. Every QB has throws that they want back, but very few QBs for good football teams have struggled to move the ball like we have this season, and it's not all on the QB for why that's been the case.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:46 am to
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Yeah, after you Googled it.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:47 am to
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Agree. Accuracy matters.
It does, especially when you have to be extremely accurate in order to complete every pass because there's no room for error with how the rest of the offense plays.
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